This guy Ingram says he killed rbp, to
save children.
Parts of Ingrams rants:
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You can find my above reply to Jim in
rec.boats.paddle, a newsgroup that has
fallen on hard times recently. You can
see that if confronted, most citizens do
not want to post any more deadly and
degrading canoe and kayak propaganda.
This experiment, conducted by me over
several years, shows how responsive the
most rabid "experts" are, when
confronted with the simple facts. Daily
posts on rec.boats.paddle went from
about 50 daily to about zero! The
Nuremberg trials certainly stopped
similar crimes aginst humanity,
conducted on the world stage. Legal
action now, in Canada and the United
States will quickly put an end to these
horrible crimes by the canoe and kayak
industry. And save about twenty (20)
agonizing deaths of children every year,
in the United States and Canada alone,
out of about 120 dead in canoes and
kayaks total, in both countries every
year! See the US Coast Guard website
numbers and Canadian numbers annually.

Would you like to see the pictures of
the 2 dead boys in the Rome Tribune,
February 2005? You see, they were
wearing PFDs too, in Florida waters on a
school trip; but they were denied any
means to get out of the water, so they
died like the Girl Guides, when the
back-up powerboat suffered an entangled
propellor:

Dr. Milgram set up the Yale experiments
after studying NAZI "monsters", who
baffled prosecutors at the Nuremberg
Trials; by showing love and compassion
for others who were outside of their
targeted "identifiable hate group." Of
course the chapters in this book show
not the Diligent Pursuit of Rescue
Safety, to save innocent victims, even
eleven-year-old Girl Guides. Instead, as
Dr. Milgram's experiments predict, any
number of "reasons" are given for "why"
these deaths must continue.

"Words are inadequate for expressing my
sympathy for the loss of your son.

The dangers of canoeing and kayaking are
real. A simple solution for eliminating
the dangers would be appreciated by many
people. Tim holds out his sponsons as
that simple solution.

This organization sells its' instruction
despite years of information, warnings,
and hundreds of deaths. They operate
like any criminal organization, without
regard for dead victims. Since many
paddlers will paddle while not wearing a
PFD, against advice, these people are
condemned to death, just as those who do
wear a PFD. Whereas otherwise they all
would have a "life raft". This must be
stopped. Thank you. Tim Ingram

Contact information:
http://www.sponsonguy.com/

Brian Nystrom wrote:
Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
This guy Ingram says he killed rbp, to save children.
Parts of Ingrams rants:
lunatic ranting snipped

Tim obviously has delusions of grandeur and apparently believes that he
actually has influence in this world. Sad and laughable. Anyone who's
been here for any length of time filtered his rants out years ago. I
didn't even realize that he still posted here.

If RBP goes away, it's simply a symptom of what's happening to Usenet in
general. It's basically a relic of the early days of the Internet. There
are so many other outlets for discussions, most of which are graphical,
more interesting (at least visually), and easier for most people to find
and access, that this text-only format is probably going to go the way
of the dinosaurs.

Additionally, it seems that the "kayak craze" that raged for a decade or
so is over. I've seen it in the reduced participation in local clubs and
heard it from dealers. There is still a decent market, but there aren't
as many people getting into paddling as there were in years past.
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I'm a baby boomer, big time cyclist, and
a paddler. I paddle a sit-on-top
prowler 13 in the Sea of Cortez, and
have never seen many paddlers there, so
I'm in no position to see any trend
there. But in cycling I've seen the
trend you are talking about in paddling
in cycling. Also I live in Arizona,
where people are moving here in droves,
but yet in the local century rides, I
have seen a huge drop in participation.
I have many theories, like triathlons
seem to be the rage, and running, but
endurance cycling is way down. It seem
that spending 5-7 hours on a bike just
doesn't appeal anymore. The running
events, and cycling take about half the
time. So it could be a time squeeze on
peoples time. And as we all know, you
really have to like kayaking to do it,
as it takes preparation, and there is a
big time commitment.

Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
This guy Ingram says he killed rbp, to save children.
Parts of Ingrams rants:
lunatic ranting snipped

Tim obviously has delusions of grandeur and apparently believes that he
actually has influence in this world. Sad and laughable. Anyone who's
been here for any length of time filtered his rants out years ago. I
didn't even realize that he still posted here.

If RBP goes away, it's simply a symptom of what's happening to Usenet in
general. It's basically a relic of the early days of the Internet. There
are so many other outlets for discussions, most of which are graphical,
more interesting (at least visually), and easier for most people to find
and access, that this text-only format is probably going to go the way
of the dinosaurs.

Additionally, it seems that the "kayak craze" that raged for a decade or
so is over. I've seen it in the reduced participation in local clubs and
heard it from dealers. There is still a decent market, but there aren't
as many people getting into paddling as there were in years past.

Brian Nystrom wrote:
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: Additionally, it seems that the "kayak craze" that raged for a decade or
: so is over. I've seen it in the reduced participation in local clubs and
: heard it from dealers. There is still a decent market, but there aren't
: as many people getting into paddling as there were in years past.

Do you think that's related to a craze or a desire not to belong to a club?

--
John Nelson
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http://www.chicagopaddling.org http://www.chicagofishing.org
(A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell)

Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
Brian Nystrom wrote:
snip
: Additionally, it seems that the "kayak craze" that raged for a decade or
: so is over. I've seen it in the reduced participation in local clubs and
: heard it from dealers. There is still a decent market, but there aren't
: as many people getting into paddling as there were in years past.

Do you think that's related to a craze or a desire not to belong to a club?

No, but it appears that people tend to "outgrow" clubs after a while,
often once they reach a certain proficiency level. Most of the paddlers
I started out paddling with have left the club that we belonged to.

"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
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Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
Brian Nystrom wrote:
snip
: Additionally, it seems that the "kayak craze" that raged for a decade
or : so is over. I've seen it in the reduced participation in local clubs
and : heard it from dealers. There is still a decent market, but there
aren't : as many people getting into paddling as there were in years
past.

Do you think that's related to a craze or a desire not to belong to a
club?

No, but it appears that people tend to "outgrow" clubs after a while,
often once they reach a certain proficiency level. Most of the paddlers I
started out paddling with have left the club that we belonged to.

I've personally infected eight or ten people with the kayak bug, and neither
I nor any of them ever belonged to a club.

We mostly just doodle down lazy rivers, but technically we're kayaking...
;D

In our case, there really aren't any convientient clubs, plus our time
constraints would make it impossible - we grab a couple of hours in the
evening, when we can, mostly. We still get on the water quite a lot, but
it's pretty much impromptu, last minute stuff.

Cricket

Brian Nystrom wrote:
: Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
: Brian Nystrom wrote:
: snip
: : Additionally, it seems that the "kayak craze" that raged for a decade or
: : so is over. I've seen it in the reduced participation in local clubs and
: : heard it from dealers. There is still a decent market, but there aren't
: : as many people getting into paddling as there were in years past.
:
: Do you think that's related to a craze or a desire not to belong to a club?

: No, but it appears that people tend to "outgrow" clubs after a while,
: often once they reach a certain proficiency level. Most of the paddlers
: I started out paddling with have left the club that we belonged to.

There are some good folks in a club, but often its better to paddle in
smaller groups, depending on what you want to see on the shoreline...

--
John Nelson
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Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page
http://www.chicagopaddling.org http://www.chicagofishing.org
(A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell)

I'm sure it's regional.....White water speaking, the sport is growing if
anything, local club participation in my area witch suppoerts half a dozen
at least within 100 mile radius is growing. That said, flat water trips have
all but diasppeared from our club schedule in last couple of years, although
more than half our membership are of the calm water persuasion. Rivers can
be crowded....please recruit some to the flat side?




"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
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Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
This guy Ingram says he killed rbp, to save children.
Parts of Ingrams rants:
lunatic ranting snipped

Tim obviously has delusions of grandeur and apparently believes that he
actually has influence in this world. Sad and laughable. Anyone who's
been here for any length of time filtered his rants out years ago. I
didn't even realize that he still posted here.

If RBP goes away, it's simply a symptom of what's happening to Usenet in
general. It's basically a relic of the early days of the Internet. There
are so many other outlets for discussions, most of which are graphical,
more interesting (at least visually), and easier for most people to find
and access, that this text-only format is probably going to go the way
of the dinosaurs.

Additionally, it seems that the "kayak craze" that raged for a decade or
so is over. I've seen it in the reduced participation in local clubs and
heard it from dealers. There is still a decent market, but there aren't
as many people getting into paddling as there were in years past.