On Dec 4, 11:27 am, HK wrote:
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On Dec 3, 2:15 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
You want investment advice?
Not from the handyman.
Better than from a pothead.
True, I'd have to agree with that. Why, are you a pothead, too?
Bill probably thinks pot is a gateway drug, orders of magnitude more
dangerous than booze.

Why do you suppose that? Loogy, the former Atl_man, the former
on_lanier, and the former basskisser seems to think stating that he is
growing pot on a pot newsgroup means he was spouting lies then. Or
lies
now. As to the pot, my opinion is legalize and tax most drugs. If
you
steal to support your habit, you get an extension to your sentence.
If
you can afford the drugs and not be a burden on society, it's freedom
of
choice. I graduated from San Francisco State University, so knew lots
of people who used pot. I do not use any drugs, as I get sick with
most
prescription painkillers, and I do not smoke. Earn a lot of money
from
smoking as Altria has done very well for me. Better than RTN and your
other choices.

You do seem to attach a certain stigma or evil to pot, though, which is
silly, since it's really no worse for the body than booze, assuming
both
are abused to a certain level. And, it's pretty rare that people steal
to
get money for pot.

I sort of dropped out of this discussion, which I initiated. How did it
devolve into an argument about pot?

I steered it off a cliff after billy bob said "Better than a pothead".
Since
I love words, I see "pothead" and wonder why people never say "bourbon
head"
or "vodka head". It's always more than just a term learned by habit. It's
a
belief based on who-knows-what.

Would 'booze hound' be the equivalent? Or just, 'a drunk'?
--
John H

Maybe, but people like Bill use "pothead" to describe anyone who uses pot.
"Booze hound" or "drunk" are more commonly used to describe someone whose
use of alcohol has reached the point of habitual abuse. There are people who
partake of marijuana at levels similar to someone who has a glass of wine
once or twice a week. Nobody would call those people drunks, although they
might GET a little drunk from that glass of wine under certain conditions.

Oh. I didn't realize Bill was expanding the term 'pothead' to include
anyone who tries the stuff. I would put 'pothead' in the same category as
'alcoholic'.

I have a great party entertainment trick. Invite me to a party, light up
a joint and watch as I puke.

Yep. The smell of that crap burning makes me puke. Everytime I have been
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Then your frends are smoking schwagg

On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:14:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Pothead would also refer to those who grow the stuff.



You must have a nasty name for someone who makes their own beer, too.

Tell us what you call them.


brewmeister
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John H

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On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:14:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Pothead would also refer to those who grow the stuff.



You must have a nasty name for someone who makes their own beer, too.

Tell us what you call them.


brewmeister
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John H


Quiet, John. Let's wait and see if little bill will grow a set of balls and
deal with this issue head-on.

On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:32:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:14:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Pothead would also refer to those who grow the stuff.



You must have a nasty name for someone who makes their own beer, too.

Tell us what you call them.


brewmeister
--
John H


Quiet, John. Let's wait and see if little bill will grow a set of balls and
deal with this issue head-on.


I can see you're trying like hell to create an issue, but I think he's got
more sense than to imbibe. (hee, hee, get it?)
--
John H

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On Dec 4, 5:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:14:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Pothead would also refer to those who grow the stuff.
You must have a nasty name for someone who makes their own beer, too.
Tell us what you call them.
Have we discussed the supposed "medical benefits" of marijauna yet?
That would be more fun. :)
You know I support NORML, and I support leagilazation of MJ, but I
also beleive "medical marijuana" is a joke.. Now before any of you
sick folks get all over me, let me explain. In a nutshell, having
smoked for so many years I realize that dosage alone would be
impossible. Even the same "strain" reacts differently each time you
smoke it, even more if you eat it. MJ should be as legal as booze, and
probably be retailed in a similar controled fashion. Then the doc
could say, go try a joint or a brownie, if it works, try it again.
Medical MJ, is a lousy excuse in my opinion and I have known lot's of
folks who's lives are much better because of illicit MJ.
The most dangerous thing about smoking a joint is the rabid cowboys
who might kick in your doors while your kids are upstairs watching
cartoons...
If it was legal, then it would be likely that you could get the same
variety
on a consistent basis, just like farmers order certain varieties of seeds
depending on various factors.- Hide quoted text -

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You are wrong. The same variety (strain) can and most likely will be
different every time you smoke it. Sometimes it may not be as
noticable, but it will, especially to those who depend on it
medically. Even more for folks who take it oraly... When I was young I
used to buy enough at a time to last months, same strain, right from
the growers in NW Mass...


OK. This is interesting. I'm a longtime gardener. Forgetting normal cultural
differences, like water, fertilizer and weather, why should there be big
differences in potency within one variety?

Read that again. I told you to forget about water, fertilizer and weather
for the moment, since those factors affect ALL plants.

You really are fully of yourself aren't you?

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:16:11 -0800 (PST),
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You know I support NORML,

Judging by the way you handle a fish...

Well, I'll just leave it at that. :)

On Dec 5, 8:43 am, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:04:47 -0800 (PST),





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As I said, legalize most drugs and tax and control like alcohol. Some drugs
just should never be legal.- Hide quoted text -

That's one reason pot won't be legal for a long time. It takes
supplies and equipment to make beer, it takes even more processes to
cure tobacco to a point where anyone would want to smoke it. Both of
these processes take lost of space, and replenishable resources, these
are easy to track and then tax. Pot takes a seed, a little dirt, some
water and some light and as far as a process, when it is done put it
in a paper bag under your bed for a week and it is ready to smoke.
Store bought alcohol or tobacco is easy to pick out, home grown pot
would look, smell, and taste the same as govt. grown, and taxed weed.
They know they would never be able to tax it properly, it would be a
nightmare for LEO, so they just keep control of the cartels, and money
too...

People are lazy, if pot was legal people would just buy it and pay the
tax.

I disagree, two minutes a day, and a closet and you never got to spend
a penny...

Bootlegging would be fairly rare for the same reason moonshine
whisky is fairly rare. You can't compete with Seagrams, unless your
time is free, even if you do pay the tax. The government could keep
the draconian penalties for those who don't pay the tax.

That is just it, you can't compete with Seagrams without a lot of
bulky equipment and a lot of ingredients that would draw attention.
Moonshine can be distinguished easily from good stuff. Growing your
own tobacco would take at least I am guessing an acre or more to serve
one person, tobacco plants need to grow tall and big to produce
properly. Also with tobacco, without a very controled air system, you
could not cure it properly, like moonshine, it would be easy to spot
just by the smell. With pot, anyone with a 2x2 closet and a easily
cloned female plant can produce anything a larger operation can, you
would never be able to tell the difference. Hooch, would blend in
seamlessly, you would never know it was there...

I don't think drugs are a good thing but the "war" against them is
worse. It is just one more, very expensive "no win" war being waged by
the same people who want to wage war in Iraq.- Hide quoted text -


Boy did you take a wrong turn there too. Bush did not start the war on
drugs, and congress needs to stop it. Besides, if you go back you will
find the Kennedy name coming up back when pot became illegal, bet you
didn't know that Why do dems always blame Bush for everything, have
they no integerity at all, is winning more important, I guess so.

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On Dec 4, 5:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:14:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Pothead would also refer to those who grow the stuff.
You must have a nasty name for someone who makes their own beer,
too.
Tell us what you call them.
Have we discussed the supposed "medical benefits" of marijauna yet?
That would be more fun. :)
You know I support NORML, and I support leagilazation of MJ, but I
also beleive "medical marijuana" is a joke.. Now before any of you
sick folks get all over me, let me explain. In a nutshell, having
smoked for so many years I realize that dosage alone would be
impossible. Even the same "strain" reacts differently each time you
smoke it, even more if you eat it. MJ should be as legal as booze, and
probably be retailed in a similar controled fashion. Then the doc
could say, go try a joint or a brownie, if it works, try it again.
Medical MJ, is a lousy excuse in my opinion and I have known lot's of
folks who's lives are much better because of illicit MJ.
The most dangerous thing about smoking a joint is the rabid cowboys
who might kick in your doors while your kids are upstairs watching
cartoons...
If it was legal, then it would be likely that you could get the same
variety
on a consistent basis, just like farmers order certain varieties of
seeds
depending on various factors.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
You are wrong. The same variety (strain) can and most likely will be
different every time you smoke it. Sometimes it may not be as
noticable, but it will, especially to those who depend on it
medically. Even more for folks who take it oraly... When I was young I
used to buy enough at a time to last months, same strain, right from
the growers in NW Mass...


OK. This is interesting. I'm a longtime gardener. Forgetting normal
cultural differences, like water, fertilizer and weather, why should
there be big differences in potency within one variety?

Read that again. I told you to forget about water, fertilizer and weather
for the moment, since those factors affect ALL plants.

You really are fully of yourself aren't you?


Yes, but that's not relevant to the perfectly valid question I asked. You
know that.

On Dec 5, 9:22 am, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:58:25 -0800 (PST),

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It is just one more, very expensive "no win" war being waged by
the same people who want to wage war in Iraq.- Hide quoted text -

Boy did you take a wrong turn there too. Bush did not start the war on
drugs, and congress needs to stop it. Besides, if you go back you will
find the Kennedy name coming up back when pot became illegal, bet you
didn't know that Why do dems always blame Bush for everything, have
they no integerity at all, is winning more important, I guess so.

I didn't say "Bush". I was referring to the "big government" folks in
general who create bureacracies that take on a life of their own. We
have a war on drugs because the repeal on the 18th amendment was going
to put thousands of prohibition cops out of work so they needed to
prohibit something to keep their phony baloney jobs. There was more
than a little racism involved in the decision that pot be illegal.
Undocumented Mexicans smoked it and during the depression we were
looking for a way to run them off to save american jobs. The current
war on drugs was started by Nixon during our last losing military
adventure with a brief hiatus during the Carter and Ford
administrations but it has been going strong since Reagan. Some of the
worst constitutional abuses in this war started under Clinton.

Thank you for the clarification

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On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:58:25 -0800 (PST),
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That is just it, you can't compete with Seagrams without a lot of
bulky equipment and a lot of ingredients that would draw attention.
Moonshine can be distinguished easily from good stuff. Growing your
own tobacco would take at least I am guessing an acre or more to serve
one person, tobacco plants need to grow tall and big to produce
properly. Also with tobacco, without a very controled air system, you
could not cure it properly, like moonshine, it would be easy to spot
just by the smell. With pot, anyone with a 2x2 closet and a easily
cloned female plant can produce anything a larger operation can, you
would never be able to tell the difference. Hooch, would blend in
seamlessly, you would never know it was there...


If it was that easy to grow it wouldn't be selling for $2000 a pound.
That is what our sheriff values it at when he busts a grow house and
we have lots of them around here.

He is probably overvaluing the pot. But if it was legal, the price would
drop tremendously. But the police and commercial growers want to keep it
illegal. Lots more profit for all.