On Dec 6, 7:12 pm, BAR wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:

The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality of
your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner sucks)
then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable.

Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls through
India.
You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit might
be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP market
at competitive prices.

Indeed.

I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other options
available.

In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and it
may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones.

Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a
month.



Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how does
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What emergency would a land line handle that a cell phone won't?

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:15:09 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

VOIP is a diaster waiting to happen

There are some places, like the Bahamas, where it makes a lot of
sense. WiFi internet is readily available there but the cost of
making phone calls is very high.

On Dec 7, 7:11 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:24:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a few
years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth
except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by
Vonage.

Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar
features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to
provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see the
market place working.

VOIP is a diaster waiting to happen and when it does, all you VOIP
losers...er...users are going to be stuck with no way to communicate.

You heard it here first.

What, I can't hear you, can you speak a little louder.- Hide quoted text -

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Now Reggie, you must know that VOIP can't possibly compete with
ancient 2 copper wire and switchhouse technology where every
connection you make degrades the signal!
Or can it??

Legacy telephony solutions are narrowband, which seriously limits the
achievable
quality. Wideband codecs could potentially be used in digital
telephone systems, but this
has never been practical enough to gain any real interest.
In fact, in traditional telephony applications, the speech bandwidth
is restricted much
more than the inherent limitations of narrowband coding. Typical
telephony is band
limited to 300 Hz to 3400 Hz. This bandwidth limitation explains why
we are used to
expect telephony speech to sound weak, unnatural, and lack crispness.
Sound Sample 4: First: Speech sampled at 44.1 kHz. Second: Narrowband
speech. Third:
Telephony band speech.
Most phone lines connected to a household are traditional two-wire
copper cables. Pure
digital connections are typically only found in enterprise
environments. Due to poor
connections or old wires, significant distortion is often generated in
the analog part of the
phone connection, a type of distortion that is entirely absent from
VoIP implementations.
The cordless phones so popular today also generate significant amounts
of analog
distortion due to radio interference and other implementation issues.

wrote in message
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On Dec 7, 7:11 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:24:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a
few
years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth
except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by
Vonage.

Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar
features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to
provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see
the
market place working.

VOIP is a diaster waiting to happen and when it does, all you VOIP
losers...er...users are going to be stuck with no way to communicate.

You heard it here first.

What, I can't hear you, can you speak a little louder.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Now Reggie, you must know that VOIP can't possibly compete with
ancient 2 copper wire and switchhouse technology where every
connection you make degrades the signal!
Or can it??

Legacy telephony solutions are narrowband, which seriously limits the
achievable
quality. Wideband codecs could potentially be used in digital
telephone systems, but this
has never been practical enough to gain any real interest.
In fact, in traditional telephony applications, the speech bandwidth
is restricted much
more than the inherent limitations of narrowband coding. Typical
telephony is band
limited to 300 Hz to 3400 Hz. This bandwidth limitation explains why
we are used to
expect telephony speech to sound weak, unnatural, and lack crispness.
Sound Sample 4: First: Speech sampled at 44.1 kHz. Second: Narrowband
speech. Third:
Telephony band speech.
Most phone lines connected to a household are traditional two-wire
copper cables. Pure
digital connections are typically only found in enterprise
environments. Due to poor
connections or old wires, significant distortion is often generated in
the analog part of the
phone connection, a type of distortion that is entirely absent from
VoIP implementations.
The cordless phones so popular today also generate significant amounts
of analog
distortion due to radio interference and other implementation issues.

If you going to plagiarize something at least post the link to where the
whole article can be read.

For all users of VoIP to enjoy its full "capabilities", the Internet and all
connections to it will have to be improved. It's no different than degraded
copper lines used in POTS, the network must be up to the task.

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On Dec 6, 7:12 pm, BAR wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:

The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality
of
your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner
sucks)
then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable.

Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls
through
India.
You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit
might
be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP
market
at competitive prices.

Indeed.

I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other
options
available.

In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and
it
may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones.

Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a
month.



Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how
does
the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell
phone?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What emergency would a land line handle that a cell phone won't?

When AC power is down. Landline phones run off large battery banks. One of
the reasons that you should have at least one, old fashioned non wireless
phone in the house. If the power goes out, ou can not call for help of
service.

Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 6, 7:12 pm, BAR wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality
of
your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner
sucks)
then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable.
Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls
through
India.
You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit
might
be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP
market
at competitive prices.
Indeed.
I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other
options
available.
In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and
it
may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones.
Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a
month.



Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how
does
the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell
phone?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
What emergency would a land line handle that a cell phone won't?

When AC power is down. Landline phones run off large battery banks. One of
the reasons that you should have at least one, old fashioned non wireless
phone in the house. If the power goes out, ou can not call for help of
service.


Bingo.

Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 6, 7:12 pm, BAR wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality
of
your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner
sucks)
then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable.
Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls
through
India.
You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit
might
be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP
market
at competitive prices.
Indeed.
I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other
options
available.
In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and
it
may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones.
Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a
month.



Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how
does
the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell
phone?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
What emergency would a land line handle that a cell phone won't?

When AC power is down. Landline phones run off large battery banks. One of
the reasons that you should have at least one, old fashioned non wireless
phone in the house. If the power goes out, ou can not call for help of
service.



Why couldn't you use your cell phone?

On Dec 7, 2:56 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Dec 7, 7:11 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:24:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

The power of competition is amazing. I have been using Vonage for a
few
years, and can not tell the difference between Vonage and BellSouth
except for the lower price and substantially more features offered by
Vonage.

Today, I got an offer in the mail from AT&T offering VOIP and similar
features at the same price as Vonage. As long as Vonage continues to
provides excellent service, I will not change, but it is nice to see
the
market place working.

VOIP is a diaster waiting to happen and when it does, all you VOIP
losers...er...users are going to be stuck with no way to communicate.

You heard it here first.

What, I can't hear you, can you speak a little louder.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Now Reggie, you must know that VOIP can't possibly compete with
ancient 2 copper wire and switchhouse technology where every
connection you make degrades the signal!
Or can it??

Legacy telephony solutions are narrowband, which seriously limits the
achievable
quality. Wideband codecs could potentially be used in digital
telephone systems, but this
has never been practical enough to gain any real interest.
In fact, in traditional telephony applications, the speech bandwidth
is restricted much
more than the inherent limitations of narrowband coding. Typical
telephony is band
limited to 300 Hz to 3400 Hz. This bandwidth limitation explains why
we are used to
expect telephony speech to sound weak, unnatural, and lack crispness.
Sound Sample 4: First: Speech sampled at 44.1 kHz. Second: Narrowband
speech. Third:
Telephony band speech.
Most phone lines connected to a household are traditional two-wire
copper cables. Pure
digital connections are typically only found in enterprise
environments. Due to poor
connections or old wires, significant distortion is often generated in
the analog part of the
phone connection, a type of distortion that is entirely absent from
VoIP implementations.
The cordless phones so popular today also generate significant amounts
of analog
distortion due to radio interference and other implementation issues.

If you going to plagiarize something at least post the link to where the
whole article can be read.

Yeah, yeah..........

For all users of VoIP to enjoy its full "capabilities", the Internet and all
connections to it will have to be improved. It's no different than degraded
copper lines used in POTS, the network must be up to the task.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree.

On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, HK wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 6, 7:12 pm, BAR wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
news:MZmdnUKGHs4SuMXanZ2dnUVZ_uDinZ2d@comcast. com...
JimH wrote:
The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality
of
your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner
sucks)
then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable.
Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls
through
India.
You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit
might
be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP
market
at competitive prices.
Indeed.
I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other
options
available.
In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and
it
may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones.
Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a
month.

Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how
does
the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell
phone?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
What emergency would a land line handle that a cell phone won't?

When AC power is down. Landline phones run off large battery banks. One of
the reasons that you should have at least one, old fashioned non wireless
phone in the house. If the power goes out, ou can not call for help of
service.

Bingo.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I've never had a problem with my cell phone. Our area was without
power for four days because of an ice storm three years ago.

On Dec 7, 3:28 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:05:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"





wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Dec 6, 7:12 pm, BAR wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
news:MZmdnUKGHs4SuMXanZ2dnUVZ_uDinZ2d@comcast .com...
JimH wrote:
The actual phone service is not bad. It all depends on the quality
of
your internet service. When speeds drop in my area (Time Warner
sucks)
then the voice quality degrades to unacceptable.
Vonage needs to improve tech support and stop routing these calls
through
India.
You are correct. I am also concerned that the infringement lawsuit
might
be the death of them, so I am glad others are getting into the VOIP
market
at competitive prices.
Indeed.
I could care less if Vonage goes under as there are plenty of other
options
available.
In the end I could do without any sort of home based phone service and
it
may eventually get to the point with us relying only our cell phones.
Bad move. Keep the land-line for emergencies. It only costs about $10 a
month.

Maybe we are just stuck in our old habits................after all, how
does
the younger generation living on their own survive with *only* a cell
phone?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
What emergency would a land line handle that a cell phone won't?

When AC power is down. Landline phones run off large battery banks. One of
the reasons that you should have at least one, old fashioned non wireless
phone in the house. If the power goes out, ou can not call for help of
service.

Why couldn't you use your cell phone?

Cell sites need power to run, as well. They may have a small UPS, but
that likely won't keep it operational for very long.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

We was without power for four days in our area because of an ice
storm, which by the way took phone lines out, too, and my cell phone
worked the whole time.