HK wrote in news:5t9q7pF1cqjq7U1
@mid.individual.net:

A. What do you filter it with, cheesecloth? By hand?

There are 3 of us in the "French Fried Oil Company". One of us has a
large warehouse to store it, one is a mechanic who built the final filter
system and does all the filtering. My part with the stepvan, is pickup
and delivery...for free, it runs on Vegoil, too.

We have the restaurant pour it through a large filter funnel back into
the same containers it came in. That's good for both of us. We don't
have to buy containers and they don't have to pay for their disposal,
reducing their disposal fee costs. We paid for the nice filter funnels
which filter out the big stuff with a fine screen. As they pour it back
in quite warm, its viscosity is quite low...but not hot enough to melt
the plastic liner in the boxes. They soon learn what's "too hot" for the
poly containers...(c;

Each container is dated with a magic marker when it arrives in the
warehouse, where it is stored UNTOUCHED for at least 30 day, most over 60
now that we have so much surplus. The longer the better as more solids
settle out of it. The stories of water in the oil are nonsense. The oil
was 450F when the food was dumped into it. That boils off the water, all
that steam that pours out during the cooking. No water can stand 450F
for long! We've never found any water in the little sediment the filter
funnel misses.

After the settling period, the oldest dated boxes are dipped, UNMOVED, in
place with a pipette of copper we built on the suction hose of the filter
system. The oil pump is a positive displacement, self-priming gear pump
we bought from Harbor Freight made in China of cast iron. It's driven by
an old washing machine motor I wired up to run at the appropriate speed
by adding and removing poles. The SLOW suction sucks up the oil from
about 3" off the bottom of the container, hopefully not disturbing the
bottom sediment and clogging our two large truck diesel filters 2um and
..5um in series. Each filter has a suction guage on them and the housing
came free to us from a wrecked tractor trailer. We've yet to need a new
filter because of the settling regime. Once the pipette sucks air, it's
removed and the bottom sediment and oil is dumped into yet another
container. When that container is full, it is left to settle a couple of
months and more oil is extracted reducing our disposal problem even more.
(We burn the sediment in a barrel out behind the warehouse, legally, as
it's in the county. The oil makes the containers burn very hotly we
dispose of, too. Our only output is some ash to the dumpster.

The oil has passed through the two big truck fuel filters/water
separators, the gear pump and is put in clean 55 gallon plastic barrels,
ready for vehicles. Two of the 8 barrels are marked LARRY'S SPECIAL
BLEND and those are the ones I add mineral spirits to to make thinner oil
to run in my unmodified Mercedes cars and Chinese diesel genset. All the
other boys have Frybrids in their cars (Mercedes and Volkswagen Rabbit
Diesels). (www.frybrid.com). Frybrid, I found, is unnecessary in my
climate in the South, especially as it rarely gets cold any more that
would thicken the mineral spirit-thinned oil beyond where I could crank
it at 22:1 in the Benz cars that have glowplugs.

There's about 1800 gallons in the warehouse, today. Where would you like
to go? How much mileage do you get? Who cares with 1800 gallons piled
up! Drive it like you STOLE IT!


B. Does everything you drive smell like a fast-food restaurant?

No, not at all. Sometimes I smell the faint odor of fresh fish, oddly
enough, standing right over the exhaust, as lots of this oil is used for
seafood cooking. But, what IS lacking over diesel is that burning
sulphur smell of normal diesel oil. Vegoil isn't low sulphur...it's NO
SULPHUR. The smell out the back is MUCH more pleasant and green than
dinodiesel. There's also NO BLACK SMOKE no matter how hard you drive it.

You don't get as much power from veg as dino oil. Vegoil is thicker,
even with mineral spirits, and burns slower, so instead of that hard
hammering sounds of dinodiesel, the engine knock is much reduced. It
doesn't, however, burn so slow it's still burning when the exhaust valve
opens that I can tell, even over 4000 RPM pushed to the floor. There's
no popping or damage to the mufflers, so far.


C. Which fast-food chain supplies the highest-class used oil?


We don't use any fast food chain oil so I can't tell you. We use oil
from 4 Chinese Restaurants that are family owned, locally, more as a
present to another small businessman. Giving McDonald's a break on its
costs doesn't really appeal to me when I can give a small businessman
just like me a break in his costs. The Chinese guys are VERY cooperative
seeing as how we're saving them about $300/mo on oil and container
disposal, their estimate not mine. The oil is a mixture of mostly Canola
oil and peanut oil. We fooled around with different kinds of new oil to
see how well each ran. We bought it from the food wholesaler in 6 gallon
containers through one of the restaurants. I can't really see any
difference in how it runs on various vegoils. You'll see these super
chemists making some exotic blends with acids and alkalis over on YouTube
but I think that's just bull****. As long as the pump and injectors
doesn't wear of clog, it'll burn fine. So far, the only thing I've
noticed is my FAR less expensive credit card bills....(c; If it's
damaging the engines every X miles, I figure I have a few thousand saved
dollars to fix that in such a crapshoot. So far, the only thing noticed
is the borescope into the cylinder head hole the injectors came out of
shows the cylinders are CLEANER on vegoil as it seems to burn cleaner
with less deposits from dissolved sulphur, etc., in dino.

Diesels were initially designed for vegoil, not dino. They switched to
dino because it was cheap....which it no longer is.


Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

Larry wrote:
HK wrote in news:5t9q7pF1cqjq7U1
@mid.individual.net:

A. What do you filter it with, cheesecloth? By hand?

There are 3 of us in the "French Fried Oil Company". One of us has a
large warehouse to store it, one is a mechanic who built the final filter
system and does all the filtering. My part with the stepvan, is pickup
and delivery...for free, it runs on Vegoil, too.

We have the restaurant pour it through a large filter funnel back into
the same containers it came in. That's good for both of us. We don't
have to buy containers and they don't have to pay for their disposal,
reducing their disposal fee costs. We paid for the nice filter funnels
which filter out the big stuff with a fine screen. As they pour it back
in quite warm, its viscosity is quite low...but not hot enough to melt
the plastic liner in the boxes. They soon learn what's "too hot" for the
poly containers...(c;

Each container is dated with a magic marker when it arrives in the
warehouse, where it is stored UNTOUCHED for at least 30 day, most over 60
now that we have so much surplus. The longer the better as more solids
settle out of it. The stories of water in the oil are nonsense. The oil
was 450F when the food was dumped into it. That boils off the water, all
that steam that pours out during the cooking. No water can stand 450F
for long! We've never found any water in the little sediment the filter
funnel misses.

After the settling period, the oldest dated boxes are dipped, UNMOVED, in
place with a pipette of copper we built on the suction hose of the filter
system. The oil pump is a positive displacement, self-priming gear pump
we bought from Harbor Freight made in China of cast iron. It's driven by
an old washing machine motor I wired up to run at the appropriate speed
by adding and removing poles. The SLOW suction sucks up the oil from
about 3" off the bottom of the container, hopefully not disturbing the
bottom sediment and clogging our two large truck diesel filters 2um and
.5um in series. Each filter has a suction guage on them and the housing
came free to us from a wrecked tractor trailer. We've yet to need a new
filter because of the settling regime. Once the pipette sucks air, it's
removed and the bottom sediment and oil is dumped into yet another
container. When that container is full, it is left to settle a couple of
months and more oil is extracted reducing our disposal problem even more.
(We burn the sediment in a barrel out behind the warehouse, legally, as
it's in the county. The oil makes the containers burn very hotly we
dispose of, too. Our only output is some ash to the dumpster.

The oil has passed through the two big truck fuel filters/water
separators, the gear pump and is put in clean 55 gallon plastic barrels,
ready for vehicles. Two of the 8 barrels are marked LARRY'S SPECIAL
BLEND and those are the ones I add mineral spirits to to make thinner oil
to run in my unmodified Mercedes cars and Chinese diesel genset. All the
other boys have Frybrids in their cars (Mercedes and Volkswagen Rabbit
Diesels). (www.frybrid.com). Frybrid, I found, is unnecessary in my
climate in the South, especially as it rarely gets cold any more that
would thicken the mineral spirit-thinned oil beyond where I could crank
it at 22:1 in the Benz cars that have glowplugs.

There's about 1800 gallons in the warehouse, today. Where would you like
to go? How much mileage do you get? Who cares with 1800 gallons piled
up! Drive it like you STOLE IT!

B. Does everything you drive smell like a fast-food restaurant?

No, not at all. Sometimes I smell the faint odor of fresh fish, oddly
enough, standing right over the exhaust, as lots of this oil is used for
seafood cooking. But, what IS lacking over diesel is that burning
sulphur smell of normal diesel oil. Vegoil isn't low sulphur...it's NO
SULPHUR. The smell out the back is MUCH more pleasant and green than
dinodiesel. There's also NO BLACK SMOKE no matter how hard you drive it.

You don't get as much power from veg as dino oil. Vegoil is thicker,
even with mineral spirits, and burns slower, so instead of that hard
hammering sounds of dinodiesel, the engine knock is much reduced. It
doesn't, however, burn so slow it's still burning when the exhaust valve
opens that I can tell, even over 4000 RPM pushed to the floor. There's
no popping or damage to the mufflers, so far.

C. Which fast-food chain supplies the highest-class used oil?


We don't use any fast food chain oil so I can't tell you. We use oil
from 4 Chinese Restaurants that are family owned, locally, more as a
present to another small businessman. Giving McDonald's a break on its
costs doesn't really appeal to me when I can give a small businessman
just like me a break in his costs. The Chinese guys are VERY cooperative
seeing as how we're saving them about $300/mo on oil and container
disposal, their estimate not mine. The oil is a mixture of mostly Canola
oil and peanut oil. We fooled around with different kinds of new oil to
see how well each ran. We bought it from the food wholesaler in 6 gallon
containers through one of the restaurants. I can't really see any
difference in how it runs on various vegoils. You'll see these super
chemists making some exotic blends with acids and alkalis over on YouTube
but I think that's just bull****. As long as the pump and injectors
doesn't wear of clog, it'll burn fine. So far, the only thing I've
noticed is my FAR less expensive credit card bills....(c; If it's
damaging the engines every X miles, I figure I have a few thousand saved
dollars to fix that in such a crapshoot. So far, the only thing noticed
is the borescope into the cylinder head hole the injectors came out of
shows the cylinders are CLEANER on vegoil as it seems to burn cleaner
with less deposits from dissolved sulphur, etc., in dino.

Diesels were initially designed for vegoil, not dino. They switched to
dino because it was cheap....which it no longer is.


Larry


Damned cool. I wonder if there is a way to make a small business out of
this, keeping it out of the hands of the damned corporate sharks.

HK wrote in news:Y6idnbDe_oa62-
:

Damned cool. I wonder if there is a way to make a small business out of
this, keeping it out of the hands of the damned corporate sharks.



We have a better idea, but haven't acted on it as we all work, sort of.

In SC there is a new rule that SC Electric and Gouge MUST buy any surplus
power from a renewable resource you produce, whether corporate likes it
or not. 1800 gallons is only a fraction of what I can collect. I get
calls from other restaurants wanting me to pick up their waste weekly.
Unfortunately, we're out of room in the corner of the warehouse so I must
decline.

The idea was to use up the surplus powering a diesel genset hooked to the
two-way kilowatthour meter, right at the warehouse, where we have quite a
bit of unused realestate between the building and the swamp out back.

I was already given a 250KVA monster from a hospital in Alabama that had
upgraded to a larger one, but by the time we got it here and installed
it, we'd be in debt way too much to make it profitable, forced to sell
our power to pay down that debt and its interest. Nope....too grandiose.
The monster would make an oil slave out of me. That's where the project
stalled this fall.....

I'd still like a nice stationary genset, maybe in the 100-150KVA range,
3-phase, any voltage to feed them. They're paying about 5.8c/Kwh, that's
$209 a 24 hour day, minus what George's warehouse uses. That comes to
$6264/month, minus oil changes and maintenance on the monster.
$6000/month is a nice little income even split between the 3 of us.
There's even a tax incentive available to get the government bureaucrats
somewhat off our backs. Fuel is cheap...(c;...and renewable! We're
burning waste oil! Once the genset is hot, it'll run easy on pure oil.
We can switch it manually from diesel 2 to vegoil, which is all the
Frybrid does automatically for mylady in the cars. A tiny part of the AC
power could heat the oil, if necessary, on really cold days.

I used to love playing with big gensets when I was working in Iran. We
had 6 big Deutz air-cooled diesel beasts powering the mission at the
airbase because local power was, in the late 70's, not really reliable.
They were 250 KVA monsters and there was 680,000 gallons of #2 buried
under the parking lot to run them independently, in emergencies. Power R
Us!...(c; When they found out how much I loved to be around them, the
company engine boys were more than happy to let me operate them, two at a
time, synchronized, because they didn't want anything to do with the
electric power side of them.

The Chinese have all kinds of big powerplants with famous prime movers
like Deutz, Perkins, Lister, etc., like this:
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroo...-list/catalog-
1.html

Here's the Chinese diesel 6.5KW genset that's oil powered at my house.
It was $1599 at Pep Boys Auto Parts. All I wanted was two wiper blades
for my stepvan...(sigh) Runs fine on the oil/mineral spirits mix...
http://tinyurl.com/2xf5w7



Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

Larry wrote:
HK wrote in news:Y6idnbDe_oa62-
:

Damned cool. I wonder if there is a way to make a small business out of
this, keeping it out of the hands of the damned corporate sharks.



We have a better idea, but haven't acted on it as we all work, sort of.

In SC there is a new rule that SC Electric and Gouge MUST buy any surplus
power from a renewable resource you produce, whether corporate likes it
or not. 1800 gallons is only a fraction of what I can collect. I get
calls from other restaurants wanting me to pick up their waste weekly.
Unfortunately, we're out of room in the corner of the warehouse so I must
decline.

The idea was to use up the surplus powering a diesel genset hooked to the
two-way kilowatthour meter, right at the warehouse, where we have quite a
bit of unused realestate between the building and the swamp out back.

I was already given a 250KVA monster from a hospital in Alabama that had
upgraded to a larger one, but by the time we got it here and installed
it, we'd be in debt way too much to make it profitable, forced to sell
our power to pay down that debt and its interest. Nope....too grandiose.
The monster would make an oil slave out of me. That's where the project
stalled this fall.....

I'd still like a nice stationary genset, maybe in the 100-150KVA range,
3-phase, any voltage to feed them. They're paying about 5.8c/Kwh, that's
$209 a 24 hour day, minus what George's warehouse uses. That comes to
$6264/month, minus oil changes and maintenance on the monster.
$6000/month is a nice little income even split between the 3 of us.
There's even a tax incentive available to get the government bureaucrats
somewhat off our backs. Fuel is cheap...(c;...and renewable! We're
burning waste oil! Once the genset is hot, it'll run easy on pure oil.
We can switch it manually from diesel 2 to vegoil, which is all the
Frybrid does automatically for mylady in the cars. A tiny part of the AC
power could heat the oil, if necessary, on really cold days.

I used to love playing with big gensets when I was working in Iran. We
had 6 big Deutz air-cooled diesel beasts powering the mission at the
airbase because local power was, in the late 70's, not really reliable.
They were 250 KVA monsters and there was 680,000 gallons of #2 buried
under the parking lot to run them independently, in emergencies. Power R
Us!...(c; When they found out how much I loved to be around them, the
company engine boys were more than happy to let me operate them, two at a
time, synchronized, because they didn't want anything to do with the
electric power side of them.

The Chinese have all kinds of big powerplants with famous prime movers
like Deutz, Perkins, Lister, etc., like this:
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroo...-list/catalog-
1.html

Here's the Chinese diesel 6.5KW genset that's oil powered at my house.
It was $1599 at Pep Boys Auto Parts. All I wanted was two wiper blades
for my stepvan...(sigh) Runs fine on the oil/mineral spirits mix...
http://tinyurl.com/2xf5w7



Larry


Go for it! Anything you can do to get money out of the power company is
worth doing.

HK wrote in
:

Go for it! Anything you can do to get money out of the power company is
worth doing.



A bonus...(c;


Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

"Larry" wrote in message
...


Here's the Chinese diesel 6.5KW genset that's oil powered at my house.
It was $1599 at Pep Boys Auto Parts. All I wanted was two wiper blades
for my stepvan...(sigh) Runs fine on the oil/mineral spirits mix...
http://tinyurl.com/2xf5w7


Is that thing air or water cooled? If air cooled, can you still hear?

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in
:


Is that thing air or water cooled? If air cooled, can you still
hear?

Eisboch



Air cooled. Totally enclosed. Huge muffler with little stack.

My neighbors say it makes a wonderful sound with their dropcords
plugged into it.....

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

Larry wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in
:

Is that thing air or water cooled? If air cooled, can you still
hear?
Eisboch



Air cooled. Totally enclosed. Huge muffler with little stack.

My neighbors say it makes a wonderful sound with their dropcords
plugged into it.....

Larry


We've got a 500-gallon propane tank buried in the yard, so our backup
generator runs on that fuel. Out here in ruralville, generators are common.