On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:29:39 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Parker owners have no sense of style. :)

We surely know of one case where the owner also lacks class. Style is
in the eye of the beholder however. There is something about the high
transom Parker's no nonsense utilitarian appearance that holds a
certain amount of appeal, sort of like a good work boat. The low
transom, low deadrise models however are for river wussies.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

Flat water boats.

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s?

Since I've had both I can tell you the answer: Low dead rise boats
will knock your fillings out in any kind of chop more than 1 foot or
so unless they are long and heavy.

I've owned a lot more small boats than large, and I've run them on
bigger water than the Patuxent River. You on the other hand, probably
do know dick, and quite possibly jack sh*t.


If you think about it, as little as Harry uses his boat, and the fact
that he limits his boating to perfect flat water days, spends very
little time fishing when he does go out, limits his boating to a bay, a
16 degree dead rise boat, with a LT is probably adequate for Harry.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:03:09 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Dr. Phil would have a field day with you. I know we do. ;-)

Dr Phil would certainly get to the bottom of his low self esteem
issues. My guess is that he never lived up to his father's high
expectations.


DING - Hand that man a cigar.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.

I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}

Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

Couple of a few year old Parker diesels around here. They have been
expensive disasters. The engine is so tight to the bilge that the water
that gets in, which is a lot, causes the pan to rust out. New stainless pan
is about $1700, plus a few hundred to pull the engine to replace. Couple
have had or have estimates for $25k to fix the problems. Besides boats
should not look like a 1961 model in 2007. Our local boat show in going on
at the Alameda Fair grounds. Those that have gone have been underwhelmed by
the amount of boats and overwhelmed by the prices. $85k for the new
MasterCraft fishing boat.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me -
in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like
somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then
painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes
on the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would
have yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}
Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

And much, much less quality where it counts. I've seen Steigers and
Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both. But some buyers
are interested in flash, and others are not.

It would be interesting to see an honest, head to head evaluation by a
knowledgeable reviewer.
What stood out to me was the Parker's 16 degree versus 21 degree
deadrise on the Steiger.

It would be interesting to see how they each handled the same seas.

Eisboch

Parker offers different boats with different amounts of deadrise, as
does Steiger. They are direct competitors.

I understand. But the two 25 footers in discussion are only 2"
different in LOA and are of the same style.

Or are you saying that both build 25 footers with different deadrise
options? I doubt it.

Eisboch




Well, sure enough. Although, it's not an option on each model.
Different models have a different deadrise ... either 16 degrees or 21
degrees.

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.

Eisboch

Why are we discussing 25 footers. Harry has a 21 foot slab sided Parker.
Remember when he tried to poke fun of skippers boat with the slab sides.
Here's a stylish little number that might compare favorably with a 21
Parker. http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/511299363.html

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

Flat water boats.

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s?

Since I've had both I can tell you the answer: Low dead rise boats
will knock your fillings out in any kind of chop more than 1 foot or
so unless they are long and heavy.

I've owned a lot more small boats than large, and I've run them on
bigger water than the Patuxent River. You on the other hand, probably
do know dick, and quite possibly jack sh*t.



Are you still maintaining that no companies could build and sell small
wood dinghies, skiffs, and dories for $200 in the mid 1950s, Whine?

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

Flat water boats.

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s?

Since I've had both I can tell you the answer: Low dead rise boats
will knock your fillings out in any kind of chop more than 1 foot or
so unless they are long and heavy.

I've owned a lot more small boats than large, and I've run them on
bigger water than the Patuxent River. You on the other hand, probably
do know dick, and quite possibly jack sh*t.



I know enough not to own a 30-year-old mechanic's nightmare of a Grankd
Banks RV barge, one that cost you how much this past summer for a tranny
rebuild? $20,000?

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.

I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.

The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:59:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:29:39 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Parker owners have no sense of style. :)

We surely know of one case where the owner also lacks class. Style is
in the eye of the beholder however. There is something about the high
transom Parker's no nonsense utilitarian appearance that holds a
certain amount of appeal, sort of like a good work boat. The low
transom, low deadrise models however are for river wussies.

The odd thing is that Steiger started out the same way - making solid,
sound workaday boats and they evolved, changed and developed.

A Parker is a Parker - look at one built 10 years ago and yesterday
and they are the same boat - nothing has changed.

I'm not saying Parker isn't a quality boat - it is, although I have my
reservations about some things just like I do about other quality
boats. There are issues with my Ranger and when I owned the
Fisharound, there were several issues I had with that boat - didn't
mean they were lousy boats.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. This company basically
builds "lobsta" boats down Maine way. They've taken the basic concept
hull and developed this:

http://www.bigpondboatshop.com/mysticmooring2.htm

This is another example of why a Parker is a Parker.

This is a 1995 Parker 23 cuddy.

http://tinyurl.com/ywcmez

This is a 2008 Parker 23 cuddy.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=10

With the exception of the stern bracket, they are the same boat
thirteen years apart.

You would think that Parker could at least update the design, change
things around - or even better, paint their boats a different color.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.


What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp
entry bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are
very popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21
and 23 footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.