On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:11:27 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:44:25 -0500, "Gene Kearns"
wrote:

Anybody know what, "The high cost of doing business in Florida ......"
is a euphemism for?

My guess is that taxes and insurance are involved in the equation, and
quite possibly Genmar was looking for tax incentives from local
government and didn't get them. Sarasota is a relatively expensive area
with high property values.

I don't know if it's still the case, but at one time, Florida's workman's
comp was the highest in the nation.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:15:49 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage
state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the
Chinese.


It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical.

As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work.

Eisboch




As I stated, "except for the job loss..."

I find it hysterical that the *corporation* is leaving a low cost of
manufacture state to find what, the bottom? If there is a lesson here,
it is *never ever* put your trust in a big corporate employer...they'll
screw you every time.

But that's what modern big corporations do, right?

Harry, I've said it before. We need to let the government control all
production. Hell, they'd build seaworthy boats. Just look at the Coast
Guard fleet.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:20:31 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage
state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the
Chinese.

It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical.

As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work.

Eisboch


Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for
some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here.



Absurd. I love Florida, and travel there at least twice a year. Went
twice last year. When I retire, it will probably be to Hilton Head, the
Golden Isles, or North Florida, unless we go to Costa Rica. :}

That narrows my retirement choices somewhat. Thanks, Harry.

BTW, any *other* places you might go?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Makes sense. That plant was pretty old too wasn't it? It might be cheaper
to increase capcity at the others.

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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:12:56 -0500, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

Actually Sarasota is a fairly pricey area to be in. I won't say it is the
most expensive but the central gulf coast area runs second to the miami
area.

That is my thinking too. I imagine Sarasota might have thought
fiberglass fabrication wasn't "green" enough for them too. It is clear
that they were not willing to concede anything to keep them there. I
bet the real answer might be what they do with the old Genmar real
estate.

On Jan 8, 8:47 pm, HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On 1/8/2008 8:32:12 PM, HK wrote:
Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage
state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the
Chinese.

Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions

The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the
industry's biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to
phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months.

"Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida
and the state of Florida's complete lack of interest in attempting to
save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such
operations out of the state of Florida," said Genmar chairman and CEO
Irwin Jacobs in a statement.

He said Genmar, "has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing
presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to
the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations."

Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er
boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar
plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the
company's 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These
three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be
affected by the move.

Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports' models are manufactured in
Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft's models are manufactured
in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl's models are manufactured
in Little Falls, Minn.

About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar
says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the
six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar's
other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by
the shut-down.

Genmar says it will continue to retain "a solid and experienced core
group" of boat designers, tool builders and other product development
personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management
in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating
market.

"While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make,
the opportunities created for the affected Genmar's brands and its other
facilities are very significant," said Jacobs.

"We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat
show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that
supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first
priorities," Jacobs continued. "The transition referenced above has been
carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to
our dealers, their customers and our entire organization."

Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers,
builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion,
Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab,
Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft.

Anybody know what, "The high cost of doing business in Florida ......" is a
euphemism for?

Not me. It sure isn't labor costs.- Hide quoted text -

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That's for sure! Labor is cheap in FL.

On Jan 8, 10:12 pm, "jamesgangnc" wrote:
Actually Sarasota is a fairly pricey area to be in. I won't say it is the
most expensive but the central gulf coast area runs second to the miami
area.

"HK" wrote in message

...



Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage
state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the
Chinese.

Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions

The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the
industry's biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase
out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months.

"Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and
the state of Florida's complete lack of interest in attempting to save
these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such
operations out of the state of Florida," said Genmar chairman and CEO
Irwin Jacobs in a statement.

He said Genmar, "has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing
presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to
the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations."

Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er
boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar
plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the
company's 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three
brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by
the move.

Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports' models are manufactured in
Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft's models are manufactured in
Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl's models are manufactured in
Little Falls, Minn.

About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar
says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the
six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar's
other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the
shut-down.

Genmar says it will continue to retain "a solid and experienced core
group" of boat designers, tool builders and other product development
personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in
Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating
market.

"While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make,
the opportunities created for the affected Genmar's brands and its other
facilities are very significant," said Jacobs.

"We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show
selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them
with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities," Jacobs
continued. "The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for
a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their
customers and our entire organization."

Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds
14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four
Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl,
Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But wages are still in the toilet there.

HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a
high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now
competing with the Chinese.

It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical.

As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work.

Eisboch

Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for
some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here.



Absurd. I love Florida, and travel there at least twice a year. Went
twice last year. When I retire, it will probably be to Hilton Head, the
Golden Isles, or North Florida, unless we go to Costa Rica. :}

Please go to Costa Rica, please! And, retire early.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a
high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now
competing with the Chinese.

It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical.

As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work.

Eisboch

Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for
some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here.



Absurd. I love Florida, and travel there at least twice a year. Went
twice last year. When I retire, it will probably be to Hilton Head,
the Golden Isles, or North Florida, unless we go to Costa Rica. :}

Please go to Costa Rica, please! And, retire early.



Most likely, it will be Hilton Head or its environs. So sorry. (not)

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a
high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now
competing with the Chinese.

It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical.

As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work.

Eisboch

Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for
some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here.



Absurd. I love Florida, and travel there at least twice a year. Went
twice last year. When I retire, it will probably be to Hilton Head,
the Golden Isles, or North Florida, unless we go to Costa Rica. :}

Please go to Costa Rica, please! And, retire early.



Most likely, it will be Hilton Head or its environs. So sorry. (not)

Just as long as you stat in SC everything will be ok.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a
high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now
competing with the Chinese.

It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical.

As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work.

Eisboch

Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for
some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here.



Absurd. I love Florida, and travel there at least twice a year. Went
twice last year. When I retire, it will probably be to Hilton Head,
the Golden Isles, or North Florida, unless we go to Costa Rica. :}

Please go to Costa Rica, please! And, retire early.



Most likely, it will be Hilton Head or its environs. So sorry. (not)

Just as long as you stat in SC everything will be ok.


Unlikely. We like to travel. Heck, I even used to travel up to your neck
of the woods, Rockville-Gaithersburg, but it is so damn congested there,
we avoid it, except for an annual Greek festival. I wonder where the
traffic is worse, in your 'hood, or over in Fairfax County.