Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton's ofracism.
 

These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton's ofracism.
 

On Feb 15, 9:40*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. *I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1

I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton'sof racism.
 

wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1

I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.


Wow! Reggie is outdoing himself. What a twerp.

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton's ofracism.
 

On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here

wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1

I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.

Don't count her out so fast.

It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton'sof racism.
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here

wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.

Don't count her out so fast.

It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.


If that happens there will be a very low turnout of Dem. voters, which
will assure a Rep. victory.

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton'sof racism.
 

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1

I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.


Wow! Reggie is outdoing himself. What a twerp.

Harry, Did you disagree with the ABC News article?

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton'sof racism.
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here

wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.

Don't count her out so fast.

It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.



If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.

It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton'sof racism.
 

HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here

wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.

Don't count her out so fast.

It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.



If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.

It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.

You mean when Clinton stated Obama strength was only with blacks?

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton's ofracism.
 

On Feb 15, 11:33Â*am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here

wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.

Don't count her out so fast.

It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.

If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.

It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, most of those claims came from the Clinton camp.. get your facts
straight...

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton'sof racism.
 

wrote:
On Feb 15, 11:33 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.

It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, most of those claims came from the Clinton camp.. get your facts
straight...



Uh, no...I am seeing them in the political sections of firearms boards,
with references to the usual right-wing screwball "news" sites. Sorry.

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton'sof racism.
 

HK wrote:
wrote:


It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, most of those claims came from the Clinton camp.. get your facts
straight...

Forgot...you of course have NO evidence that ties the Clinton camp to
these false claims that Obama is a Muslim or a pan-African (whatever the
hell that is) or the other scurrilous claims the righties are making
about him. I believe it is correct his father was a Kenyan, but why
anyone should give a damn about that is beyond me.

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton's ofracism.
 

On Feb 15, 11:53Â*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 15, 11:33 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.

It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, most of those claims came from the Clinton camp.. get your facts
straight...

Uh, no...I am seeing them in the political sections of firearms boards,
with references to the usual right-wing screwball "news" sites. Sorry.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maybey you are but no one else is, we are seeing it on main stream
media, from the mouth of Bill Clinton... But you just keep playing
with the gun nutsies...as if...;)

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton'sof racism.
 

HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here

wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.

Don't count her out so fast.

It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.



If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.

If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.

It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.

Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an African?

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton's ofracism.
 

On Feb 15, 9:11Â*am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here

wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.

Don't count her out so fast.

It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.

If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.

If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.

It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.

Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an African?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same logic.

If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.

I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator as
can Obama.

It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.

Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton'sof racism.
 

wrote:
On Feb 15, 11:53 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 15, 11:33 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Uh, most of those claims came from the Clinton camp.. get your facts
straight...
Uh, no...I am seeing them in the political sections of firearms boards,
with references to the usual right-wing screwball "news" sites. Sorry.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maybey you are but no one else is, we are seeing it on main stream
media, from the mouth of Bill Clinton... But you just keep playing
with the gun nutsies...as if...;)


No, you are not.

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton'sof racism.
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:


Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an African?


Hehehehe. Here we go.

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton'sof racism.
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11 am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.

It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an African?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all

Who said it was a militant school and why are you bringing militancy
into the discussion?

public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same logic.

It is called profiling. And, despite what idiots say it is used all of
the time all over the world to identify people. Have you ever applied
for a job?

If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.

Hate no, be weary of yes. Like communism Islam cannot reach its true
potential unless it controls the world. The workers, living under the
boot of communism, were told that they had to suffer for the good of all
and fight to take communism to every land on the planet before the true
benefits of communism can be reaped. Islam is much the same in that
Islam wants to convert all non-Muslims or put them to death. The mullahs
and imams have been telling their adherents this for over a thousand years.

While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.

We are electing the whole man and not just the secular part of the man
to be president. Therefore, his religion is open for discussions.

I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator as
can Obama.

As opposed to the left constantly call President Bush an idiot, a
monkdy, and many other uncomplimentary things.

It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.

The are always ugly and they should be ugly. We are selecting our leader
for the next four years.

Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.

It has already happened. Weren't you around in Nov. of 2000?

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton's ofracism.
 

On Feb 15, 10:25�am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11�am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here

wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. ?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.

Don't count her out so fast.

It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.

If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.

Was: Black Lawmakers ...now, fishing. :-)
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:25�am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11�am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. ?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an African?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same �logic.
If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.
I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator as
can Obama.
It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.
Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.
I've not heard Russ use that name for Obama. But I don't get to listen to
him as much as, apparently, you do.

Yes, it may get ugly, and it may get ugly here. You don't think your post,
above, would be contributing to the ugliness, do you?

You seem to say some pretty negative things about 'right wingers' above,
Chuck. I doubt if I'm any more 'predisposed' to hate blacks than you are. I
also doubt that I'm even more 'predisposed' to hate Muslims than you are.


Which is why I directed my comment toward "some" right wingers.
As it would be the right wing, not the left wing, that opposes Obama
should he be nominated, the attitudes of that some portion of the
right wing will be an issue.

Some portion of the left wing is probably also prejudiced against a
vairety of races and or religions. However, the left wing won't be
campaigning against Obama - the right wing will. That makes the
attitude of some right wingers pertinent to a discussion of the
challenges Obama would face in the final stretch.


But, I'm sure your post wasn't designed to inflame anyone's passions. Just
a little innocent discussion, right?

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



How's the salt water fishing this time of year in your part of the
country, Chuck?

Black Lawmakers ...now, fishing. :-)
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:25?am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11?am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party.
?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race
baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it
was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will
soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D
party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the
Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that
point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best
bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I
do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty,
dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the
typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his
father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed
views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an
African?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same ?logic.
If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.
I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator as
can Obama.
It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.
Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.
I've not heard Russ use that name for Obama. But I don't get to listen
to
him as much as, apparently, you do.

Yes, it may get ugly, and it may get ugly here. You don't think your
post,
above, would be contributing to the ugliness, do you?

You seem to say some pretty negative things about 'right wingers' above,
Chuck. I doubt if I'm any more 'predisposed' to hate blacks than you
are. I
also doubt that I'm even more 'predisposed' to hate Muslims than you
are.


Which is why I directed my comment toward "some" right wingers.
As it would be the right wing, not the left wing, that opposes Obama
should he be nominated, the attitudes of that some portion of the
right wing will be an issue.

Some portion of the left wing is probably also prejudiced against a
vairety of races and or religions. However, the left wing won't be
campaigning against Obama - the right wing will. That makes the
attitude of some right wingers pertinent to a discussion of the
challenges Obama would face in the final stretch.


But, I'm sure your post wasn't designed to inflame anyone's passions.
Just
a little innocent discussion, right?

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



How's the salt water fishing this time of year in your part of the
country, Chuck?

Trying the hypocrisy angle for a while?

Black Lawmakers ...now, fishing. :-)
 

D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:25?am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11?am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party.
?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race
baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it
was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will
soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D
party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the
Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that
point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best
bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I
do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty,
dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the
typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his
father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed
views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an
African?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same ?logic.
If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.
I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator as
can Obama.
It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.
Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.
I've not heard Russ use that name for Obama. But I don't get to listen
to
him as much as, apparently, you do.

Yes, it may get ugly, and it may get ugly here. You don't think your
post,
above, would be contributing to the ugliness, do you?

You seem to say some pretty negative things about 'right wingers' above,
Chuck. I doubt if I'm any more 'predisposed' to hate blacks than you
are. I
also doubt that I'm even more 'predisposed' to hate Muslims than you
are.

Which is why I directed my comment toward "some" right wingers.
As it would be the right wing, not the left wing, that opposes Obama
should he be nominated, the attitudes of that some portion of the
right wing will be an issue.

Some portion of the left wing is probably also prejudiced against a
vairety of races and or religions. However, the left wing won't be
campaigning against Obama - the right wing will. That makes the
attitude of some right wingers pertinent to a discussion of the
challenges Obama would face in the final stretch.


But, I'm sure your post wasn't designed to inflame anyone's passions.
Just
a little innocent discussion, right?

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How's the salt water fishing this time of year in your part of the
country, Chuck?

Trying the hypocrisy angle for a while?




Been out boating lately, Quacky? What was the water temp? Were you
fishing? Got anything on-topic to post?

Black Lawmakers and Black Superdelegates accuss the Clinton's of racism.
 

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:06:42 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

..

If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.

I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator as
can Obama.

It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.

Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.

I've not heard Russ use that name for Obama. But I don't get to listen to
him as much as, apparently, you do.

Yes, it may get ugly, and it may get ugly here. You don't think your post,
above, would be contributing to the ugliness, do you?

You seem to say some pretty negative things about 'right wingers' above,
Chuck. I doubt if I'm any more 'predisposed' to hate blacks than you are. I
also doubt that I'm even more 'predisposed' to hate Muslims than you are.


Which is why I directed my comment toward "some" right wingers.
As it would be the right wing, not the left wing, that opposes Obama
should he be nominated, the attitudes of that some portion of the
right wing will be an issue.

Some portion of the left wing is probably also prejudiced against a
vairety of races and or religions. However, the left wing won't be
campaigning against Obama - the right wing will. That makes the
attitude of some right wingers pertinent to a discussion of the
challenges Obama would face in the final stretch.



But, I'm sure your post wasn't designed to inflame anyone's passions. Just
a little innocent discussion, right?

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah, yes. You're using one of Harry's tricks, a qualifier. By saying 'most',
'some', 'with a few exceptions', etc.

The fact remains that your post was designed to inflame.

It would seem that 'some' of the left wingers, namely the Clintons, have
been the first to play your race card. And it was the Clinton campaign that
made the Muslim background an issue.

You should just keep your arrows in your quiver. You're sounding much like
Harry.
--
John H

Black Lawmakers ...now, fishing. :-)
 

HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:25?am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11?am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic
Party. ?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious
race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean,
it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict
will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D
party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the
Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that
point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the
best bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or
Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the
nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at
him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the
typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African!
his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever
expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an
African?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a
militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in
Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same ?logic.
If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.
I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply
referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of
what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator as
can Obama.
It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.
Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.
I've not heard Russ use that name for Obama. But I don't get to
listen to
him as much as, apparently, you do.

Yes, it may get ugly, and it may get ugly here. You don't think
your post,
above, would be contributing to the ugliness, do you?

You seem to say some pretty negative things about 'right wingers'
above,
Chuck. I doubt if I'm any more 'predisposed' to hate blacks than
you are. I
also doubt that I'm even more 'predisposed' to hate Muslims than
you are.

Which is why I directed my comment toward "some" right wingers.
As it would be the right wing, not the left wing, that opposes Obama
should he be nominated, the attitudes of that some portion of the
right wing will be an issue.

Some portion of the left wing is probably also prejudiced against a
vairety of races and or religions. However, the left wing won't be
campaigning against Obama - the right wing will. That makes the
attitude of some right wingers pertinent to a discussion of the
challenges Obama would face in the final stretch.


But, I'm sure your post wasn't designed to inflame anyone's
passions. Just
a little innocent discussion, right?

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How's the salt water fishing this time of year in your part of the
country, Chuck?

Trying the hypocrisy angle for a while?



Been out boating lately, Quacky? What was the water temp? Were you
fishing? Got anything on-topic to post?

I don't know if John H is going to be happy or upset about your change
of heart.

Black Lawmakers ...now, fishing. :-)
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:25?am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11?am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic
Party. ?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious
race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean,
it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second
sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict
will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the
D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let
the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the
Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at
that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the
best bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle.
She
will win none of those states.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or
Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the
nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw
at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with
the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African!
his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever
expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an
African?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a
militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in
Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or
had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same ?logic.
If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim
and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.
I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply
referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of
what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final
nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring
orator as
can Obama.
It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.
Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.
I've not heard Russ use that name for Obama. But I don't get to
listen to
him as much as, apparently, you do.

Yes, it may get ugly, and it may get ugly here. You don't think
your post,
above, would be contributing to the ugliness, do you?

You seem to say some pretty negative things about 'right wingers'
above,
Chuck. I doubt if I'm any more 'predisposed' to hate blacks than
you are. I
also doubt that I'm even more 'predisposed' to hate Muslims than
you are.

Which is why I directed my comment toward "some" right wingers.
As it would be the right wing, not the left wing, that opposes Obama
should he be nominated, the attitudes of that some portion of the
right wing will be an issue.

Some portion of the left wing is probably also prejudiced against a
vairety of races and or religions. However, the left wing won't be
campaigning against Obama - the right wing will. That makes the
attitude of some right wingers pertinent to a discussion of the
challenges Obama would face in the final stretch.


But, I'm sure your post wasn't designed to inflame anyone's
passions. Just
a little innocent discussion, right?

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How's the salt water fishing this time of year in your part of the
country, Chuck?

Trying the hypocrisy angle for a while?



Been out boating lately, Quacky? What was the water temp? Were you
fishing? Got anything on-topic to post?

I don't know if John H is going to be happy or upset about your change
of heart.



As if I give a flying f*ch about Herring's happiness.

I'm trying to talk my wife into accompanying me up to Bass Pro Shops
near Baltimore today or tomorrow. It's a great store, as I am sure you
must know, but the mall it is in, huge as it is, has very little to
offer. I like the Bass Pro shop in Norfolk better, though. It seems to
have more stuff and better clothing sales. But it is a three hour drive,
and even I won't go that far for fishing gear.

Black Lawmakers ...now, fishing. :-)
 

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:54:12 -0500, BAR wrote:


How's the salt water fishing this time of year in your part of the
country, Chuck?

Trying the hypocrisy angle for a while?



Been out boating lately, Quacky? What was the water temp? Were you
fishing? Got anything on-topic to post?

I don't know if John H is going to be happy or upset about your change
of heart.

I figure Harry is trying to endear himself to a couple more folks that have
written him off in the past few days.

Personally, I can't abide liars, so there is nothing Harry, or his sidekick
JimH, could do to endear themselves to me. I don't find Harry's 'character'
enthralling or entertaining, nor do I find his continuous spiteful,
invective behavior entertaining. Some do, I don't. In fact, it appears that
most don't.
--
John H

Black Lawmakers ...now, fishing. :-)
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:25?am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11?am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic
Party. ?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious
race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With
Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second
sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict
will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the
D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and
let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have
the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the
Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at
that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the
best bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a
miracle. She
will win none of those states.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or
Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the
nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw
at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with
the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African!
his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever
expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an
African?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a
militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I
guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in
Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school
(or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same ?logic.
If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a
Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.
I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal
about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply
referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview
of what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final
nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the
folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring
orator as
can Obama.
It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.
Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.
I've not heard Russ use that name for Obama. But I don't get to
listen to
him as much as, apparently, you do.

Yes, it may get ugly, and it may get ugly here. You don't think
your post,
above, would be contributing to the ugliness, do you?

You seem to say some pretty negative things about 'right wingers'
above,
Chuck. I doubt if I'm any more 'predisposed' to hate blacks than
you are. I
also doubt that I'm even more 'predisposed' to hate Muslims than
you are.

Which is why I directed my comment toward "some" right wingers.
As it would be the right wing, not the left wing, that opposes Obama
should he be nominated, the attitudes of that some portion of the
right wing will be an issue.

Some portion of the left wing is probably also prejudiced against a
vairety of races and or religions. However, the left wing won't be
campaigning against Obama - the right wing will. That makes the
attitude of some right wingers pertinent to a discussion of the
challenges Obama would face in the final stretch.


But, I'm sure your post wasn't designed to inflame anyone's
passions. Just
a little innocent discussion, right?

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How's the salt water fishing this time of year in your part of the
country, Chuck?

Trying the hypocrisy angle for a while?



Been out boating lately, Quacky? What was the water temp? Were you
fishing? Got anything on-topic to post?

I don't know if John H is going to be happy or upset about your change
of heart.



As if I give a flying f*ch about Herring's happiness.

I'm trying to talk my wife into accompanying me up to Bass Pro Shops
near Baltimore today or tomorrow. It's a great store, as I am sure you
must know, but the mall it is in, huge as it is, has very little to
offer. I like the Bass Pro shop in Norfolk better, though. It seems to
have more stuff and better clothing sales. But it is a three hour drive,
and even I won't go that far for fishing gear.


Harry,
I find your boating related posts about mud at the marina, buying spools
of fishing line, and driving to the mall to be very interesting. It is
much better than tell people they are sexually repressed and want to
beat and control woman because they believe abortion is killing an
unborn child.

Black Lawmakers ...now, fishing. :-)
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:25?am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11?am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic
Party. ?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race
baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it
was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will
soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D
party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the
Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that
point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best
bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I
do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty,
dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at
him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the
typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his
father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed
views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an
African?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a
militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in
Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same ?logic.
If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.
I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply
referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of
what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator as
can Obama.
It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.
Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.
I've not heard Russ use that name for Obama. But I don't get to listen
to
him as much as, apparently, you do.

Yes, it may get ugly, and it may get ugly here. You don't think your
post,
above, would be contributing to the ugliness, do you?

You seem to say some pretty negative things about 'right wingers'
above,
Chuck. I doubt if I'm any more 'predisposed' to hate blacks than you
are. I
also doubt that I'm even more 'predisposed' to hate Muslims than you
are.

Which is why I directed my comment toward "some" right wingers.
As it would be the right wing, not the left wing, that opposes Obama
should he be nominated, the attitudes of that some portion of the
right wing will be an issue.

Some portion of the left wing is probably also prejudiced against a
vairety of races and or religions. However, the left wing won't be
campaigning against Obama - the right wing will. That makes the
attitude of some right wingers pertinent to a discussion of the
challenges Obama would face in the final stretch.


But, I'm sure your post wasn't designed to inflame anyone's passions.
Just
a little innocent discussion, right?

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How's the salt water fishing this time of year in your part of the
country, Chuck?

Trying the hypocrisy angle for a while?


Been out boating lately, Quacky? What was the water temp? Were you
fishing? Got anything on-topic to post?

As a matter of fact I was crappie fishing a couple of days ago. Not on my
boat though. I keep my Lund Pro-V/200HP Mercury Optimax up near Kenora,
Ontario. I got tired of towing it all the way up there from Florida each
summer and then bringing it back in the fall.

I'd much rather fish in the beautiful Canadian Shield area that down here.
I don't care for salt water fishing. I do make 2 or 3 trips each year to
the Stick Marsh/Farm 13 for some world class bass fishing. Fortunately I
have friends with boats for the few times a year I get the yearning to fish
here in Florida.

Other than that I rekindled my interest in golf in 2006 and have my handicap
down to 12. Hope to get into single digits again.

You ought to try golf sometime. To get the handicap down requires a degree
of athleticism, coordination and desire. As I rapidly approach 70, I would
like to shoot my age, but I don't think that's gonna happen.

Black Lawmakers ...now, fishing. :-)
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:25?am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11?am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic
Party. ?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race
baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it
was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second
sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will
soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D
party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let
the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the
Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that
point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best
bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle.
She
will win none of those states.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack.
I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty,
dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at
him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the
typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his
father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed
views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an
African?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a
militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in
Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or
had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same ?logic.
If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim
and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.
I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply
referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of
what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final
nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator
as
can Obama.
It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.
Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.
I've not heard Russ use that name for Obama. But I don't get to
listen to
him as much as, apparently, you do.

Yes, it may get ugly, and it may get ugly here. You don't think your
post,
above, would be contributing to the ugliness, do you?

You seem to say some pretty negative things about 'right wingers'
above,
Chuck. I doubt if I'm any more 'predisposed' to hate blacks than you
are. I
also doubt that I'm even more 'predisposed' to hate Muslims than you
are.

Which is why I directed my comment toward "some" right wingers.
As it would be the right wing, not the left wing, that opposes Obama
should he be nominated, the attitudes of that some portion of the
right wing will be an issue.

Some portion of the left wing is probably also prejudiced against a
vairety of races and or religions. However, the left wing won't be
campaigning against Obama - the right wing will. That makes the
attitude of some right wingers pertinent to a discussion of the
challenges Obama would face in the final stretch.


But, I'm sure your post wasn't designed to inflame anyone's passions.
Just
a little innocent discussion, right?

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How's the salt water fishing this time of year in your part of the
country, Chuck?

Trying the hypocrisy angle for a while?


Been out boating lately, Quacky? What was the water temp? Were you
fishing? Got anything on-topic to post?

As a matter of fact I was crappie fishing a couple of days ago. Not on my
boat though. I keep my Lund Pro-V/200HP Mercury Optimax up near Kenora,
Ontario. I got tired of towing it all the way up there from Florida each
summer and then bringing it back in the fall.

I'd much rather fish in the beautiful Canadian Shield area that down here.
I don't care for salt water fishing. I do make 2 or 3 trips each year to
the Stick Marsh/Farm 13 for some world class bass fishing. Fortunately I
have friends with boats for the few times a year I get the yearning to
fish here in Florida.

Other than that I rekindled my interest in golf in 2006 and have my
handicap down to 12. Hope to get into single digits again.

You ought to try golf sometime. To get the handicap down requires a
degree of athleticism, coordination and desire. As I rapidly approach 70,
I would like to shoot my age, but I don't think that's gonna happen.

I forgot to mention, I'll bet I log more fishing hours in Canada per year
than you do in two years fishing in your area. And I have to travel 2K
miles to my boat.

Black Lawmakers ...now, fishing. :-)
 

D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message


Been out boating lately, Quacky? What was the water temp? Were you
fishing? Got anything on-topic to post?

As a matter of fact I was crappie fishing a couple of days ago. Not on my
boat though. I keep my Lund Pro-V/200HP Mercury Optimax up near Kenora,
Ontario. I got tired of towing it all the way up there from Florida each
summer and then bringing it back in the fall.

I'd much rather fish in the beautiful Canadian Shield area that down here.
I don't care for salt water fishing. I do make 2 or 3 trips each year to
the Stick Marsh/Farm 13 for some world class bass fishing. Fortunately I
have friends with boats for the few times a year I get the yearning to fish
here in Florida.

Other than that I rekindled my interest in golf in 2006 and have my handicap
down to 12. Hope to get into single digits again.

You ought to try golf sometime. To get the handicap down requires a degree
of athleticism, coordination and desire. As I rapidly approach 70, I would
like to shoot my age, but I don't think that's gonna happen.



I tried golf a couple of times many years ago. I liked the walking
around the golf course better than the golf. My uncle, who is now 91,
took up golf in his 50's and got very good at it, especially after he
retired to Boca Raton and played 18 holes almost every day. He played
very well until a few years ago, but his arm strength has diminished
some and now shoots his age. He was a "scratch" golfer for many years.

The few times I have been fishing on Canadian lakes I enjoyed it
immensely, even though I only caught a few fish. About five years ago, I
went ice fishing with some buddies in the Thunder Bay area, and we did
ok. Man, it was cold.

I do a bit of freshwater fishing over in Virginia, for smallies, on very
light tackle and from a canoe. It's great fun. We alternate between
ultralight spinning tackle for smallies and fly fishing gear for trout.

Black Lawmakers ...now, fishing. :-)
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:25?am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11?am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic
Party. ?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious
race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With
Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second
sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict
will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the
D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and
let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have
the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the
Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at
that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the
best bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a
miracle. She
will win none of those states.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or
Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the
nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw
at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with
the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African!
his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever
expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an
African?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a
militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I
guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in
Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school
(or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same ?logic.
If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a
Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.
I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal
about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply
referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview
of what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final
nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the
folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring
orator as
can Obama.
It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.
Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.
I've not heard Russ use that name for Obama. But I don't get to
listen to
him as much as, apparently, you do.

Yes, it may get ugly, and it may get ugly here. You don't think
your post,
above, would be contributing to the ugliness, do you?

You seem to say some pretty negative things about 'right wingers'
above,
Chuck. I doubt if I'm any more 'predisposed' to hate blacks than
you are. I
also doubt that I'm even more 'predisposed' to hate Muslims than
you are.

Which is why I directed my comment toward "some" right wingers.
As it would be the right wing, not the left wing, that opposes Obama
should he be nominated, the attitudes of that some portion of the
right wing will be an issue.

Some portion of the left wing is probably also prejudiced against a
vairety of races and or religions. However, the left wing won't be
campaigning against Obama - the right wing will. That makes the
attitude of some right wingers pertinent to a discussion of the
challenges Obama would face in the final stretch.


But, I'm sure your post wasn't designed to inflame anyone's
passions. Just
a little innocent discussion, right?

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How's the salt water fishing this time of year in your part of the
country, Chuck?

Trying the hypocrisy angle for a while?



Been out boating lately, Quacky? What was the water temp? Were you
fishing? Got anything on-topic to post?

I don't know if John H is going to be happy or upset about your change
of heart.



As if I give a flying f*ch about Herring's happiness.

I'm trying to talk my wife into accompanying me up to Bass Pro Shops
near Baltimore today or tomorrow. It's a great store, as I am sure you
must know, but the mall it is in, huge as it is, has very little to
offer. I like the Bass Pro shop in Norfolk better, though. It seems to
have more stuff and better clothing sales. But it is a three hour drive,
and even I won't go that far for fishing gear.


Aren't there enough local, non-mass merchant evil corporation, tackle
shops in your area?