On Mar 2, 9:38 am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:

I have been on the internet since the days when it was black and
white, text only.

Gee, then you're a newbie. Most early screens weren't black and white
(plasma, amber, green, etc)

Not so. Most were Black and White CRT. If you had lots of money
maybe you had green or amber. I had amber.... Plasma was a rarity.
Though I still have an old Toshiba with Plasma (good for night vision
on my boat).

People make up new terms to replace old ones just to be
doing something because they lack a life outside of making up words.
Like "issues" to replace "problems." Its just a euphemism to make
problems seem like something else.

Sort of like pointless rants on usenet?

Sort of like a pointless response, right????

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:17:55 -0800 (PST), "jim.isbell"
wrote:

On Mar 2, 9:38 am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:

I have been on the internet since the days when it was black and
white, text only.

Gee, then you're a newbie. Most early screens weren't black and white
(plasma, amber, green, etc)

Not so. Most were Black and White CRT. If you had lots of money
maybe you had green or amber. I had amber..

I went with the first IBM PC, the 8088, 64k mem, single floppy deal.
Tricked it all out a bit later, so it was a hot rod. Heh.
Think I paid 2700 bucks for the barebones.
The IBM monitor was the green.
Clones were coming with amber monitors, and to my eyes they were
"tacky." Never told anybody that until now.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:17:55 -0800 (PST), "jim.isbell"
wrote:

On Mar 2, 9:38 am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:

I have been on the internet since the days when it was black and
white, text only.
Gee, then you're a newbie. Most early screens weren't black and white
(plasma, amber, green, etc)
Not so. Most were Black and White CRT. If you had lots of money
maybe you had green or amber. I had amber..

I went with the first IBM PC, the 8088, 64k mem, single floppy deal.
Tricked it all out a bit later, so it was a hot rod. Heh.
Think I paid 2700 bucks for the barebones.
The IBM monitor was the green.
Clones were coming with amber monitors, and to my eyes they were
"tacky." Never told anybody that until now.

--Vic


You got screwed, too, eh? Did you add a second floppy drive at the cost
of, what was it, about $350? I sold that machine off and got an Eagle
8086 based "rocket" with a graphics card and an amber monitor that would
do graphics.

On Mar 3, 3:13*pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:17:55 -0800 (PST), "jim.isbell"
wrote:

On Mar 2, 9:38 am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:

I have been on the internet since the days when it was black and
white, text only.
Gee, then you're a newbie. *Most early screens weren't black and white
(plasma, amber, green, etc)
Not so. *Most were Black and White CRT. *If you had lots of money
maybe you had green or amber. *I had amber..

I went with the first IBM PC, the 8088, 64k mem, single floppy deal.
Tricked it all out a bit later, so it was a hot rod. *Heh.
Think I paid 2700 bucks for the barebones.
The IBM monitor was the green.
Clones were coming with amber monitors, and to my eyes they were
"tacky." *Never told anybody that until now.

--Vic

You got screwed, too, eh? Did you add a second floppy drive at the cost
of, what was it, about $350? I sold that machine off and got an Eagle
8086 based "rocket" with a graphics card and an amber monitor that would
do graphics.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I remember my computer geek (back then Clayton Walnum wrote manuals
for Que and other companies) he was by no means an amateur. I think
the quote he gave me was something like "who the heck is going to fill
up 20 mb anyway"

wrote:
On Mar 3, 3:13 pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:17:55 -0800 (PST), "jim.isbell"
wrote:
On Mar 2, 9:38 am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:
I have been on the internet since the days when it was black and
white, text only.
Gee, then you're a newbie. Most early screens weren't black and white
(plasma, amber, green, etc)
Not so. Most were Black and White CRT. If you had lots of money
maybe you had green or amber. I had amber..
I went with the first IBM PC, the 8088, 64k mem, single floppy deal.
Tricked it all out a bit later, so it was a hot rod. Heh.
Think I paid 2700 bucks for the barebones.
The IBM monitor was the green.
Clones were coming with amber monitors, and to my eyes they were
"tacky." Never told anybody that until now.
--Vic
You got screwed, too, eh? Did you add a second floppy drive at the cost
of, what was it, about $350? I sold that machine off and got an Eagle
8086 based "rocket" with a graphics card and an amber monitor that would
do graphics.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I remember my computer geek (back then Clayton Walnum wrote manuals
for Que and other companies) he was by no means an amateur. I think
the quote he gave me was something like "who the heck is going to fill
up 20 mb anyway"


I lucked out with some computer mag writing contracts after getting the
Eagle, and always had "demos" around. One of my favorites was an S-100
bus machine that drove me batty, especially since Jerry Pournelle over
at BYTE magazine had all kinds of guys stopping by to fix his up. I
finally got it running right. It was a well-built tank.

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:13:20 -0500, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:17:55 -0800 (PST), "jim.isbell"
wrote:

On Mar 2, 9:38 am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:

I have been on the internet since the days when it was black and
white, text only.
Gee, then you're a newbie. Most early screens weren't black and white
(plasma, amber, green, etc)
Not so. Most were Black and White CRT. If you had lots of money
maybe you had green or amber. I had amber..

I went with the first IBM PC, the 8088, 64k mem, single floppy deal.
Tricked it all out a bit later, so it was a hot rod. Heh.
Think I paid 2700 bucks for the barebones.
The IBM monitor was the green.
Clones were coming with amber monitors, and to my eyes they were
"tacky." Never told anybody that until now.

--Vic


You got screwed, too, eh? Did you add a second floppy drive at the cost
of, what was it, about $350? I sold that machine off and got an Eagle
8086 based "rocket" with a graphics card and an amber monitor that would
do graphics.

I never looked at it as "screwed." That was the going price, they
weren't discounted, and I was an IT guy. But it didn't exactly help
my budget, for sure. Never went with another floppy, but a 20meg HD
and a loaded AST 6-pack soon set me back another 1200 bucks or so.
My view then ('83?) was to stay entirely IBM compatible, and it
worked. Wouldn't even think of using MS-Dos, had to be PC-Dos.
Stuck with pure IBM through the 486 chip, then started building my
own.

--Vic

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:57:04 -0500, Jack Erbes
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
snip
I went with the first IBM PC, the 8088, 64k mem, single floppy deal.
Tricked it all out a bit later, so it was a hot rod. Heh.
Think I paid 2700 bucks for the barebones.
The IBM monitor was the green.
Clones were coming with amber monitors, and to my eyes they were
"tacky." Never told anybody that until now.

--Vic

Tacky? That amber monitor only came with the Cadillacs of the 5150's!

The amber was a lot easier on the eyes for extended use. And with that,
the Hercules graphic card, and a second floppy drive I was the King of
WordStar for a long time.

Maybe the IBM had better text resolution, at least to my eyes. Every
amber monitor I saw looked "fuzzy' to me.

I was only a mere Chief Petty Officer but I had figured out how to use
WordStar on a dual floppy PC and even the officers came to sip at the
font of knowledge...

Well Chief, I'd expect you'd spend your time in the Chiefs lounge
gabbing with your mates and having a "secret" beer instead of f**king
around on a PC. That's what my Chiefs did, anyway. I bet you weren't
a BTC. (-:

And I thinking you might have had 640k of RAM? I don't think you could
run a floppy disk on a 64k 5150. Maybe though.

Nah. Floppy drivers are hard wired I think. I still use one for any
of my Ghosting, as I don't even have to think about drivers
I seem to remember the PC I bought having 32k standard, and had them
add another 32k for maybe over a hundred bucks extra.
Later, when I had the money, I added an AST 6-pack to max the memory,
and set up a virtual drive. Still later I got one of those 500 buck
20 meg Winchester hard drives. I never worried about graphics cards
until I started gaming, since I was mostly programming on that old PC.

http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5150.html

Good link

--Vic

Shucks, you guys are young folks and johnny come latelys. I started with an
LGP30 in 1968. The monitor was real easy on the eyes because there wasn't
one. The paper tape wasn't too bad most of the time. unfortunately when
one of the tubes went it tended to mess up the operation of the computer.
The 2K of memory filled pretty fast but since everything was written in
assembly language programs tended to be pretty compact (unlike some software
that has been developed recently by some unnamed large firms). The draw
back of this system was that while it could be used on board a boat you
would need a good size cabin with air conditioning to be able to use it. Ah
yes, those were the days-----well maybe not.

Brian


"Jack Erbes" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
snip
I went with the first IBM PC, the 8088, 64k mem, single floppy deal.
Tricked it all out a bit later, so it was a hot rod. Heh.
Think I paid 2700 bucks for the barebones.
The IBM monitor was the green.
Clones were coming with amber monitors, and to my eyes they were
"tacky." Never told anybody that until now.

--Vic

Tacky? That amber monitor only came with the Cadillacs of the 5150's!

The amber was a lot easier on the eyes for extended use. And with that,
the Hercules graphic card, and a second floppy drive I was the King of
WordStar for a long time.

I was only a mere Chief Petty Officer but I had figured out how to use
WordStar on a dual floppy PC and even the officers came to sip at the font
of knowledge...

And I thinking you might have had 640k of RAM? I don't think you could
run a floppy disk on a 64k 5150. Maybe though.

http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5150.html

Jack

On Mar 3, 3:26*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 3, 3:13 pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:17:55 -0800 (PST), "jim.isbell"
wrote:
On Mar 2, 9:38 am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:
I have been on the internet since the days when it was black and
white, text only.
Gee, then you're a newbie. *Most early screens weren't black and white
(plasma, amber, green, etc)
Not so. *Most were Black and White CRT. *If you had lots of money
maybe you had green or amber. *I had amber..
I went with the first IBM PC, the 8088, 64k mem, single floppy deal.
Tricked it all out a bit later, so it was a hot rod. *Heh.
Think I paid 2700 bucks for the barebones.
The IBM monitor was the green.
Clones were coming with amber monitors, and to my eyes they were
"tacky." *Never told anybody that until now.
--Vic
You got screwed, too, eh? Did you add a second floppy drive at the cost
of, what was it, about $350? I sold that machine off and got an Eagle
8086 based "rocket" with a graphics card and an amber monitor that would
do graphics.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I remember my computer geek (back then Clayton Walnum wrote manuals
for Que and other companies) he was by no means an amateur. I think
the quote he gave me was something like "who the heck is going to fill
up 20 mb anyway"

I lucked out with some computer mag writing contracts after getting the
Eagle, and always had "demos" around. One of my favorites was an S-100
bus machine that drove me batty, especially since Jerry Pournelle over
at BYTE magazine had all kinds of guys stopping by to fix his up. I
finally got it running right. It was a well-built tank.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry, because of the many, many lies you've told here, no one is
going to believe that tale.

On Mar 3, 3:18*pm, wrote:
On Mar 3, 3:13*pm, HK wrote:





Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:17:55 -0800 (PST), "jim.isbell"
wrote:

On Mar 2, 9:38 am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:

I have been on the internet since the days when it was black and
white, text only.
Gee, then you're a newbie. *Most early screens weren't black and white
(plasma, amber, green, etc)
Not so. *Most were Black and White CRT. *If you had lots of money
maybe you had green or amber. *I had amber..

I went with the first IBM PC, the 8088, 64k mem, single floppy deal.
Tricked it all out a bit later, so it was a hot rod. *Heh.
Think I paid 2700 bucks for the barebones.
The IBM monitor was the green.
Clones were coming with amber monitors, and to my eyes they were
"tacky." *Never told anybody that until now.

--Vic

You got screwed, too, eh? Did you add a second floppy drive at the cost
of, what was it, about $350? I sold that machine off and got an Eagle
8086 based "rocket" with a graphics card and an amber monitor that would
do graphics.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I remember my computer geek (back then Clayton Walnum wrote manuals
for Que and other companies) he was by no means an amateur. I think
the quote he gave me was something like "who the heck is going to fill
up 20 mb anyway"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, I did Autocad v1.3 on a 286 12Mhz with a 10 meg HD and I was hot
****, no one I knew in my field had THAT!