On Mar 18, 9:28*pm, wrote:
On Mar 18, 10:19*pm, Tim wrote:





On Mar 18, 8:36*pm, wrote:

On Mar 18, 11:32*am, "Eisboch" wrote:

by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors.

maybe because he didn't get behind a pulpit and immitate his Preacha'!

That would have gotten his crowd more off center.

No, I just think he tried to walk a political tightrope and came
across as kind of waffling on the issue, not taking a real stand
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Isn't that the sign of a true politician?

On Mar 18, 10:32*pm, Tim wrote:
On Mar 18, 9:28*pm, wrote:





On Mar 18, 10:19*pm, Tim wrote:

On Mar 18, 8:36*pm, wrote:

On Mar 18, 11:32*am, "Eisboch" wrote:

by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors.

maybe because he didn't get behind a pulpit and immitate his Preacha'!

That would have gotten his crowd more off center.

No, I just think he tried to walk a political tightrope and came
across as kind of waffling on the issue, not taking a real stand
either way.- Hide quoted text -

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Isn't that the sign of a true politician?- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, wishful thinking on my part.

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No, I just think he tried to walk a political tightrope and came
across as kind of waffling on the issue, not taking a real stand
either way.

Sometimes (fairly often IMO) both sides are wrong.

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On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors. I expected a lot more
substance, I think, and I know I am simple, but I think he is one of
the most intellectual candidates we have seen in a long time, even if
I think he is too liberal for me.

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I had a totally different impression. I didn't see it as a "political"
speech at all. It was more a "time out" from politics speech to expose
more of what he is, how he thinks and what he believes in.

I thought he very effectively got across the feel and image of being black
in America and of the remaining distrust that exists among groups with
different ethnic backgrounds. I thought he dealt with his nut case pastor's
comments with class and dignity.
I admire people who are loyal, even when that loyalty may hurt you
personally. He didn't give the pastor a free pass ... he condemned his
statements ..... but he also pointed out the good the pastor has to offer.

I thought it was very well written, delivered and had a strong message.

Eisboch

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On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors. I expected a lot more
substance, I think, and I know I am simple, but I think he is one of
the most intellectual candidates we have seen in a long time, even if
I think he is too liberal for me.

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I had a totally different impression. I didn't see it as a "political"
speech at all. It was more a "time out" from politics speech to expose
more of what he is, how he thinks and what he believes in.

I thought he very effectively got across the feel and image of being black
in America and of the remaining distrust that exists among groups with
different ethnic backgrounds. I thought he dealt with his nut case
pastor's comments with class and dignity.
I admire people who are loyal, even when that loyalty may hurt you
personally. He didn't give the pastor a free pass ... he condemned his
statements ..... but he also pointed out the good the pastor has to offer.

I thought it was very well written, delivered and had a strong message.

Eisboch



He is a great Orator. But, and it is a big but. He did not really explain
his poor judgement. Accepting the pastor for 20 years at Trinity, and
making him an advisor does not show good judgement. And that may be a
really bad thing when trying to get elected.

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On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors. I expected a lot more
substance, I think, and I know I am simple, but I think he is one of
the most intellectual candidates we have seen in a long time, even if
I think he is too liberal for me.

----------------------------------------------

I had a totally different impression. I didn't see it as a "political"
speech at all. It was more a "time out" from politics speech to expose
more of what he is, how he thinks and what he believes in.

I thought he very effectively got across the feel and image of being
black in America and of the remaining distrust that exists among groups
with different ethnic backgrounds. I thought he dealt with his nut case
pastor's comments with class and dignity.
I admire people who are loyal, even when that loyalty may hurt you
personally. He didn't give the pastor a free pass ... he condemned his
statements ..... but he also pointed out the good the pastor has to
offer.

I thought it was very well written, delivered and had a strong message.

Eisboch



He is a great Orator. But, and it is a big but. He did not really
explain his poor judgement. Accepting the pastor for 20 years at Trinity,
and making him an advisor does not show good judgement. And that may be a
really bad thing when trying to get elected.


You may be right. Politically (meaning policy-wise), I would have a hard
time voting for him. I just thought that he hit the race issue and subject
of human interaction in a refreshing, non-combative and intelligent way. I
particularly like how he made the media look like a bunch of simpletons,
without actually trying to.

Eisboch

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On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors. I expected a lot more
substance, I think, and I know I am simple, but I think he is one of
the most intellectual candidates we have seen in a long time, even if
I think he is too liberal for me.

----------------------------------------------

I had a totally different impression. I didn't see it as a "political"
speech at all. It was more a "time out" from politics speech to expose
more of what he is, how he thinks and what he believes in.

I thought he very effectively got across the feel and image of being
black in America and of the remaining distrust that exists among groups
with different ethnic backgrounds. I thought he dealt with his nut case
pastor's comments with class and dignity.
I admire people who are loyal, even when that loyalty may hurt you
personally. He didn't give the pastor a free pass ... he condemned his
statements ..... but he also pointed out the good the pastor has to
offer.

I thought it was very well written, delivered and had a strong message.

He is a great Orator. But, and it is a big but. He did not really
explain his poor judgement. Accepting the pastor for 20 years at Trinity,
and making him an advisor does not show good judgement. And that may be a
really bad thing when trying to get elected.


You may be right. Politically (meaning policy-wise), I would have a hard
time voting for him. I just thought that he hit the race issue and subject
of human interaction in a refreshing, non-combative and intelligent way. I
particularly like how he made the media look like a bunch of simpletons,
without actually trying to.

I agree with you - as a piece of oratory, it was excellant - well
delivered, effective, semantically perfect and done with flair.

Does not explain anything however. And despite CNN and MSNBC's
fawning over the speech, it did not come close to Dr. King's "I Have A
Dream" speech no matter what A. Cooper and Chris Matthews says.

Personally, I believe in what he says - I practice it. I don't really
care if you are black, blue, orange or from the Andromeda Galaxy. It's
not what you are, but who you are that's important to me.

I have some personal doubts that Obama believes it as I do. He says he
does, but in practice, maybe he doesn't.

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On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors. I expected a lot more
substance, I think, and I know I am simple, but I think he is one of
the most intellectual candidates we have seen in a long time, even if
I think he is too liberal for me.

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I had a totally different impression. *I didn't see it as a "political"
speech at all. *It was more a "time out" *from politics speech to expose
more of what he is, how he thinks and what he believes in.

I thought he very effectively got across the feel and image of being
black in America and of the remaining distrust that exists among groups
with different ethnic backgrounds. *I thought he dealt with his nut case
pastor's comments with class and dignity.
I admire people who are loyal, even when that loyalty may hurt you
personally. *He didn't give the pastor a free pass ... he condemned his
statements ..... but he also pointed out the good the pastor has to
offer.

I thought it was very well written, delivered and had a strong message.

Eisboch

He is a great Orator. *But, and it is a big but. *He did not really
explain his poor judgement. *Accepting the pastor for 20 years at Trinity,
and making him an advisor does not show good judgement. *And that may be a
really bad thing when trying to get elected.

You may be right. *Politically (meaning policy-wise), I would have a hard
time voting for him. *I just thought that he hit the race issue and subject
of human interaction in a refreshing, non-combative and intelligent way. *I
particularly like how he made the media look like a bunch of simpletons,
without actually trying to.

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I agree. He hit the race issue right on the head. For both sides.

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Eisboch


That's not a speech, this is a speech-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

On Mar 19, 11:39*am, "LoogyPicker" wrote:
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by Obama.

Eisboch

That's not a speech, this is a speech-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

Awe, there's my little stalker girl back........