On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:40:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Mar 29, 1:59*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:01:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:46 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:05:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 9:24 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:10:53 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:33:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

At a 1997 race-relations forum for teenagers in Boston, Hillary recalled
the "pain" of a "childhood encounter" that helped her to grasp the injury
suffered by the victims of bigotry. *

Who said the following:

"The real issue is this. Who would you rather have in charge of the
defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never
served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country
honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the
battlefields of Vietnam?"

I'd have figured it for John Kerry, who had a propensity to brag about
himself while making empty promises.

But, I cheated. Howard Dean (not one of the two H's, BTW) wins.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

But of course NO Republicans would ever tell lies or embellish the
truth to garner votes and or approval now, would they?

Not the one's running for President now.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You mean like this:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/...n-mccain-iraq/

Yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told CNN that that President Bush's
escalation in Iraq is going so well, "General Petraeus goes out there
almost every day in an unarmed humvee." On Monday, he told radio host
Bill Bennett that there "are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I
could walk through those neighborhoods, today."

This morning, during an interview with McCain, CNN's John Roberts
rebutted McCain's assertions, stating, "I checked with General
Petraeus's people overnight and they said he never goes out in
anything less than an up-armored humvee." He added that a new report
by retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey "said no Iraqi government official,
coalition soldier, diplomat reporter could walk the streets of Baghdad
without heavily armed protection."

Faced with overwhelming evidence that he was wrong, McCain denied he'd
ever said it: "Well, I'm not saying they could go without protection.
The President goes around America with protection. So, certainly I
didn't say that." Watch it:

Or this:
http://beertap.wordpress.com/2008/03...-double-talk-e...

Or this:
http://rafaelmartel.com/2008/03/06/j...fox-debate-and...

Yep, him and his buddy Keating are just plain honest, huh? By the way,
there are MANY more examples of McCain's lies.

Neither you nor the reporters know the difference between an armed Humvee
and an up-armored Humvee.

John, that's a mis-statement in itself. How would YOU know what I, or
the reporters know about Humvee's and armor?

But we understand.

Who is we?

And no, it is not like the dozen or so Hillary 'misstatements' I posted for
your reading enjoyment.

OH, a republican lies, it's just swept under the carpet, a dem lies
and you eat it up, huh?
--

McCain made a statement about an unarmed Humvee. You, and your source, are
using the words 'up-armed Humvee' to refute McCain's statement.

Either you, and your source, don't know the difference, or you're just
making up bull****.

I was being generous by assuming you, and your source, were confused about
the difference.

'We' is me and anyone else who understands the meaning of the words in
question.

I neither swept or ate, but I'm glad to see you're admitting the lies of
Hillary.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

On Mar 30, 12:08*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:40:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 1:59*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:01:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:46 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:05:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 9:24 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:10:53 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:33:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

At a 1997 race-relations forum for teenagers in Boston, Hillary recalled
the "pain" of a "childhood encounter" that helped her to grasp the injury
suffered by the victims of bigotry. *

Who said the following:

"The real issue is this. Who would you rather have in charge of the
defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never
served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country
honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the
battlefields of Vietnam?"

I'd have figured it for John Kerry, who had a propensity to brag about
himself while making empty promises.

But, I cheated. Howard Dean (not one of the two H's, BTW) wins.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

But of course NO Republicans would ever tell lies or embellish the
truth to garner votes and or approval now, would they?

Not the one's running for President now.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You mean like this:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/...n-mccain-iraq/

Yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told CNN that that President Bush's
escalation in Iraq is going so well, "General Petraeus goes out there
almost every day in an unarmed humvee." On Monday, he told radio host
Bill Bennett that there "are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I
could walk through those neighborhoods, today."

This morning, during an interview with McCain, CNN's John Roberts
rebutted McCain's assertions, stating, "I checked with General
Petraeus's people overnight and they said he never goes out in
anything less than an up-armored humvee." He added that a new report
by retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey "said no Iraqi government official,
coalition soldier, diplomat reporter could walk the streets of Baghdad
without heavily armed protection."

Faced with overwhelming evidence that he was wrong, McCain denied he'd
ever said it: "Well, I'm not saying they could go without protection.
The President goes around America with protection. So, certainly I
didn't say that." Watch it:

Or this:
http://beertap.wordpress.com/2008/03...-double-talk-e....

Or this:
http://rafaelmartel.com/2008/03/06/j...fox-debate-and....

Yep, him and his buddy Keating are just plain honest, huh? By the way,
there are MANY more examples of McCain's lies.

Neither you nor the reporters know the difference between an armed Humvee
and an up-armored Humvee.

John, that's a mis-statement in itself. How would YOU know what I, or
the reporters know about Humvee's and armor?

But we understand.

Who is we?

And no, it is not like the dozen or so Hillary 'misstatements' I posted for
your reading enjoyment.

OH, a republican lies, it's just swept under the carpet, a dem lies
and you eat it up, huh?
--

McCain made a statement about an unarmed Humvee. You, and your source, are
using the words 'up-armed Humvee' to refute McCain's statement.

That's the only lie you gleaned out of the posts I made about him?
What about the other lies?

Either you, and your source, don't know the difference, or you're just
making up bull****.

John, I didn't write the article. But, here's an article about up
armored Humvees. Does that look unarmored to you????
That is what McCain stated, the general goes out daily in an unarmored
vehicle. Do you also believe that Baghdad is safe, as McCain stated?
Are you suggesting that General McCaffey lied then?

I was being generous by assuming you, and your source, were confused about
the difference.

John, I didn't write the article

On Mar 30, 1:42*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:28:22 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 30, 12:08*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:40:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 1:59*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:01:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:46 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:05:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 9:24 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:10:53 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:33:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

At a 1997 race-relations forum for teenagers in Boston, Hillary recalled
the "pain" of a "childhood encounter" that helped her to grasp the injury
suffered by the victims of bigotry. *

Who said the following:

"The real issue is this. Who would you rather have in charge of the
defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never
served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country
honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the
battlefields of Vietnam?"

I'd have figured it for John Kerry, who had a propensity to brag about
himself while making empty promises.

But, I cheated. Howard Dean (not one of the two H's, BTW) wins..
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

But of course NO Republicans would ever tell lies or embellish the
truth to garner votes and or approval now, would they?

Not the one's running for President now.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You mean like this:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/...n-mccain-iraq/

Yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told CNN that that President Bush's
escalation in Iraq is going so well, "General Petraeus goes out there
almost every day in an unarmed humvee." On Monday, he told radio host
Bill Bennett that there "are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I
could walk through those neighborhoods, today."

This morning, during an interview with McCain, CNN's John Roberts
rebutted McCain's assertions, stating, "I checked with General
Petraeus's people overnight and they said he never goes out in
anything less than an up-armored humvee." He added that a new report
by retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey "said no Iraqi government official,
coalition soldier, diplomat reporter could walk the streets of Baghdad
without heavily armed protection."

Faced with overwhelming evidence that he was wrong, McCain denied he'd
ever said it: "Well, I'm not saying they could go without protection.

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:28:22 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Mar 30, 12:08*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:40:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 1:59*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:01:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:46 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:05:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 9:24 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:10:53 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:33:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

At a 1997 race-relations forum for teenagers in Boston, Hillary recalled
the "pain" of a "childhood encounter" that helped her to grasp the injury
suffered by the victims of bigotry. *

Who said the following:

"The real issue is this. Who would you rather have in charge of the
defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never
served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country
honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the
battlefields of Vietnam?"

I'd have figured it for John Kerry, who had a propensity to brag about
himself while making empty promises.

But, I cheated. Howard Dean (not one of the two H's, BTW) wins.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

But of course NO Republicans would ever tell lies or embellish the
truth to garner votes and or approval now, would they?

Not the one's running for President now.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You mean like this:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/...n-mccain-iraq/

Yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told CNN that that President Bush's
escalation in Iraq is going so well, "General Petraeus goes out there
almost every day in an unarmed humvee." On Monday, he told radio host
Bill Bennett that there "are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I
could walk through those neighborhoods, today."

This morning, during an interview with McCain, CNN's John Roberts
rebutted McCain's assertions, stating, "I checked with General
Petraeus's people overnight and they said he never goes out in
anything less than an up-armored humvee." He added that a new report
by retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey "said no Iraqi government official,
coalition soldier, diplomat reporter could walk the streets of Baghdad
without heavily armed protection."

Faced with overwhelming evidence that he was wrong, McCain denied he'd
ever said it: "Well, I'm not saying they could go without protection.
The President goes around America with protection. So, certainly I
didn't say that." Watch it:

Or this:
http://beertap.wordpress.com/2008/03...-double-talk-e...

Or this:
http://rafaelmartel.com/2008/03/06/j...fox-debate-and...

Yep, him and his buddy Keating are just plain honest, huh? By the way,
there are MANY more examples of McCain's lies.

Neither you nor the reporters know the difference between an armed Humvee
and an up-armored Humvee.

John, that's a mis-statement in itself. How would YOU know what I, or
the reporters know about Humvee's and armor?

But we understand.

Who is we?

And no, it is not like the dozen or so Hillary 'misstatements' I posted for
your reading enjoyment.

OH, a republican lies, it's just swept under the carpet, a dem lies
and you eat it up, huh?
--

McCain made a statement about an unarmed Humvee. You, and your source, are
using the words 'up-armed Humvee' to refute McCain's statement.

That's the only lie you gleaned out of the posts I made about him?
What about the other lies?

Either you, and your source, don't know the difference, or you're just
making up bull****.

John, I didn't write the article. But, here's an article about up
armored Humvees. Does that look unarmored to you????
That is what McCain stated, the general goes out daily in an unarmored
vehicle. Do you also believe that Baghdad is safe, as McCain stated?
Are you suggesting that General McCaffey lied then?

I was being generous by assuming you, and your source, were confused about
the difference.

John, I didn't write the article


Some up-armored Humvees are armed, some are not.

No, you didn't write the article, but you posted it.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

On Mar 30, 6:40*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:29:58 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 30, 1:42*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:28:22 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 30, 12:08*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:40:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 1:59*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:01:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:46 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:05:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 9:24 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:10:53 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:33:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

At a 1997 race-relations forum for teenagers in Boston, Hillary recalled
the "pain" of a "childhood encounter" that helped her to grasp the injury
suffered by the victims of bigotry. *

Who said the following:

"The real issue is this. Who would you rather have in charge of the
defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never
served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country
honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the
battlefields of Vietnam?"

I'd have figured it for John Kerry, who had a propensity to brag about
himself while making empty promises.

But, I cheated. Howard Dean (not one of the two H's, BTW) wins.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

But of course NO Republicans would ever tell lies or embellish the
truth to garner votes and or approval now, would they?

Not the one's running for President now.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You mean like this:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/...n-mccain-iraq/

Yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told CNN that that President Bush's
escalation in Iraq is going so well, "General Petraeus goes out there
almost every day in an unarmed humvee." On Monday, he told radio host
Bill Bennett that there "are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I
could walk through those neighborhoods, today."

This morning, during an interview with McCain, CNN's John Roberts
rebutted McCain's assertions, stating, "I checked with General
Petraeus's people overnight and they said he never goes out in
anything less than an up-armored humvee." He added that a new report
by retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey "said no Iraqi government official,
coalition soldier, diplomat reporter could walk the streets of Baghdad
without heavily armed protection."

Faced with overwhelming evidence that he was wrong, McCain denied he'd
ever said it: "Well, I'm not saying they could go without protection.
The President goes around America with protection. So, certainly I
didn't say that." Watch it:

Or this:
http://beertap.wordpress.com/2008/03...-double-talk-e...

Or this:
http://rafaelmartel.com/2008/03/06/j...fox-debate-and...

Yep, him and his buddy Keating are just plain honest, huh? By the way,
there are MANY more examples of McCain's lies.

Neither you nor the reporters know the difference between an armed Humvee
and an up-armored Humvee.

John, that's a mis-statement in itself. How would YOU know what I, or
the reporters know about Humvee's and armor?

But we understand.

Who is we?

And no, it is not like the dozen or so Hillary 'misstatements' I posted for
your reading enjoyment.

OH, a republican lies, it's just swept under the carpet, a dem lies
and you eat it up, huh?
--

McCain made a statement about an unarmed Humvee. You, and your source, are
using the words 'up-armed Humvee' to refute McCain's statement.

That's the only lie you gleaned out of the posts I made about him?
What about the other lies?

Either you, and your source, don't know the difference, or you're just
making up bull****.

John, I didn't write the article. But, here's an article about up
armored Humvees. Does that look unarmored to you????
That is what McCain stated, the general goes out daily in an unarmored
vehicle. Do you also believe that Baghdad is safe, as McCain stated?
Are you suggesting that General McCaffey lied then?

I was being generous by assuming you, and your source, were confused about
the difference.

John, I didn't write the article

Some up-armored Humvees are armed, some are not.

No, you didn't write the article, but you posted it.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So is General McCaffey lying or McCain? What about the lie McCain told
when he, after a fashion said that he didn't say that they could go
out without protection?

You're reaching. Neither one was lying. They referred to two different
types of equipment.

That's enough.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, yeah, okay. My point is proven.

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:29:58 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Mar 30, 1:42*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:28:22 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 30, 12:08*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:40:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 1:59*pm, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:01:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:46 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:05:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 29, 9:24 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:10:53 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:33:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

At a 1997 race-relations forum for teenagers in Boston, Hillary recalled
the "pain" of a "childhood encounter" that helped her to grasp the injury
suffered by the victims of bigotry. *

Who said the following:

"The real issue is this. Who would you rather have in charge of the
defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never
served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country
honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the
battlefields of Vietnam?"

I'd have figured it for John Kerry, who had a propensity to brag about
himself while making empty promises.

But, I cheated. Howard Dean (not one of the two H's, BTW) wins.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

But of course NO Republicans would ever tell lies or embellish the
truth to garner votes and or approval now, would they?

Not the one's running for President now.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You mean like this:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/...n-mccain-iraq/

Yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told CNN that that President Bush's
escalation in Iraq is going so well, "General Petraeus goes out there
almost every day in an unarmed humvee." On Monday, he told radio host
Bill Bennett that there "are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I
could walk through those neighborhoods, today."

This morning, during an interview with McCain, CNN's John Roberts
rebutted McCain's assertions, stating, "I checked with General
Petraeus's people overnight and they said he never goes out in
anything less than an up-armored humvee." He added that a new report
by retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey "said no Iraqi government official,
coalition soldier, diplomat reporter could walk the streets of Baghdad
without heavily armed protection."

Faced with overwhelming evidence that he was wrong, McCain denied he'd
ever said it: "Well, I'm not saying they could go without protection.
The President goes around America with protection. So, certainly I
didn't say that." Watch it:

Or this:
http://beertap.wordpress.com/2008/03...-double-talk-e...

Or this:
http://rafaelmartel.com/2008/03/06/j...fox-debate-and...

Yep, him and his buddy Keating are just plain honest, huh? By the way,
there are MANY more examples of McCain's lies.

Neither you nor the reporters know the difference between an armed Humvee
and an up-armored Humvee.

John, that's a mis-statement in itself. How would YOU know what I, or
the reporters know about Humvee's and armor?

But we understand.

Who is we?

And no, it is not like the dozen or so Hillary 'misstatements' I posted for
your reading enjoyment.

OH, a republican lies, it's just swept under the carpet, a dem lies
and you eat it up, huh?
--

McCain made a statement about an unarmed Humvee. You, and your source, are
using the words 'up-armed Humvee' to refute McCain's statement.

That's the only lie you gleaned out of the posts I made about him?
What about the other lies?

Either you, and your source, don't know the difference, or you're just
making up bull****.

John, I didn't write the article. But, here's an article about up
armored Humvees. Does that look unarmored to you????
That is what McCain stated, the general goes out daily in an unarmored
vehicle. Do you also believe that Baghdad is safe, as McCain stated?
Are you suggesting that General McCaffey lied then?

I was being generous by assuming you, and your source, were confused about
the difference.

John, I didn't write the article

Some up-armored Humvees are armed, some are not.

No, you didn't write the article, but you posted it.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So is General McCaffey lying or McCain? What about the lie McCain told
when he, after a fashion said that he didn't say that they could go
out without protection?

You're reaching. Neither one was lying. They referred to two different
types of equipment.

That's enough.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)