"HK" wrote in message
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:24:14 -0400, HK wrote:


I had far more serious problems with XP, by the way, than I have had so
far with VISTA.

Hard to imagine problems with XP - I can't think of one I've had.
I did start with SP2 though.
And I always investigate peripheral compatibility before I buy.
What issues did you encounter?

--Vic

I started with an early beta, but I flushed each old version before
installing the newer beta.
I had some software incompatibilities with programs that were supposed to
work with XP. Seriously. And one hardware problem with a USB proprietary
card reader. I never got these problems resolved. Fortunately I had my
Win2k laptop around and everything worked on it.



Harry, IMO (which, when it comes to computers, doesn't account for much),
having issues as a beta tester really doesn't apply to the final, released
product.

As a computer consumer and not a technician, it seems to me that XP has
earned a decent reputation for a Windows OS, similar to what Windows 3.0
earned in it's day.

Vista has yet to earn that reputation for reliability, speed and ease of use
with other applications. It may, after a while, but the fact that Microsoft
has already announced the forthcoming release of the next generation OS, it
sort of makes you wonder if Vista will be another flash in the pan dud.

Either that, or the "new" OS will basically be a re-packaged version of
Vista, with all updates and improvements. They'll probably give it a new
name and look, because for many (unlike a few like you) Vista has left a
bad taste. Sometimes it's very difficult to get around that.

Eisboch

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:55:43 -0400, HK wrote:

Same here. Used to like messing with it when it was my business.
Now I'm a user, and like it real user friendly.

--Vic


Hmmm. I'm sort of the opposite.

Another way to look at it: I used to like doing my own car repairs.
Hands on, saved some money, and had a reliable ride.
That was necessary with those older cars.
Now I expect my cars to be almost maintenance free.
I resent a bad injector, or too many "check engine" lights.
I put Vista in that category - just from what I've heard.
XP fits more into my current car philosophy - beat it death and it
keeps on doing everything I ask of it.
Not talking avoiding regular preventative maintenance, but I don't
want to be babying an OS like I babied my old cars.
Might be some flaws in that analogy, but there it is.
The older I get, the less I like to putz around with things I consider
simple tools. An OS is basically a complex mass of code, and I spent
years dealing with such for pay, and I'm tired of it.
That's why I retired.

--Vic

On Apr 6, 4:10*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:09:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Apr 6, 8:16*am, wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 05:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

More like BOB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8hyjEGkm-A

Wrong BOB. MS came out with a... wait for it... dumbed down version of Windows
they called BOB. Looked like it was designed by Mr. Rogers in collaboration with
Fisher-Price. It was a major flop, but subsequent versions of Windows have
interfaces that look more and more like BOB, with vivid, cartoonish, brightly
colored rounded icons, etc.

I thought I was in your bozo bin?

I guess you missed it when I explained that I rarely kill off anybody
permanently. I first set a 7-10 day filter that marks their posts "READ" so my
reader skips right over them. If one of those is in a thread I'm following, I
sometimes read it to see if its anything other than more of the stuff I killed
them about. After 10 days, the filter expires and they are back to normal. If
they still haven't changed their tune, I once again set a "READ" filter, but
usually for 30 days. If they are still acting like a jackass after that, I
permanently filter them, either completely, or to mark as "READ".

Periodically I delete ALL my filters, as most of the posters involved are no
longer posting, or the overly long thread I filtered is so old that it's no
longer a problem.

I usually refer to my filter as "The Penalty Box", not the Bozo Bin, although
many Bozo's get put there.

yeah, yeah.. I read of your hypocracies. First you arogantly announce
to the world that i was in your "bin" now you say it is a "penalty
box?" Good lord. that's like announcing that one is pregnant, then
saying one is "a little bit pregnant". Well, you either are or you
arn't.

You may as well put me in there permamently like you said you were
going to do with Loogy, and Scott, that is unless you pull them out,
play with them a while then put them back in....

"But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven,
neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be
yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation"...(James 5:12
KJV)

He

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VUslGSoEH8I

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:24:14 -0400, HK wrote:


I had far more serious problems with XP, by the way, than I have had so
far with VISTA.
Hard to imagine problems with XP - I can't think of one I've had.
I did start with SP2 though.
And I always investigate peripheral compatibility before I buy.
What issues did you encounter?

--Vic
I started with an early beta, but I flushed each old version before
installing the newer beta.
I had some software incompatibilities with programs that were supposed to
work with XP. Seriously. And one hardware problem with a USB proprietary
card reader. I never got these problems resolved. Fortunately I had my
Win2k laptop around and everything worked on it.



Harry, IMO (which, when it comes to computers, doesn't account for much),
having issues as a beta tester really doesn't apply to the final, released
product.

As a computer consumer and not a technician, it seems to me that XP has
earned a decent reputation for a Windows OS, similar to what Windows 3.0
earned in it's day.

Vista has yet to earn that reputation for reliability, speed and ease of use
with other applications. It may, after a while, but the fact that Microsoft
has already announced the forthcoming release of the next generation OS, it
sort of makes you wonder if Vista will be another flash in the pan dud.

Either that, or the "new" OS will basically be a re-packaged version of
Vista, with all updates and improvements. They'll probably give it a new
name and look, because for many (unlike a few like you) Vista has left a
bad taste. Sometimes it's very difficult to get around that.

Eisboch




Part of the "deal" of being an early beta tester is doing whatever you
can to "bust" the software. The continuing issues I had with XP were on
the released version, which I installed fresh on a suitable computer.

XP is more than decent, but I had some issues with it. At the moment, I
have no issues remaining with VISTA, but I am sure I will come up with
some. I always do.

MS always has "forthcoming" operating systems in the works.

Those who don't like the MS offerings but still want a packaged OS
should try Apple OS X Leopard. If you like to kitbash, try LINUX.

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:59:43 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Either that, or the "new" OS will basically be a re-packaged version of
Vista, with all updates and improvements. They'll probably give it a new
name and look, because for many (unlike a few like you) Vista has left a
bad taste. Sometimes it's very difficult to get around that

Think they will call it ****edoffta?

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:24:14 -0400, HK wrote:



I had far more serious problems with XP, by the way, than I have had so
far with VISTA.

Hard to imagine problems with XP - I can't think of one I've had.
I did start with SP2 though.
And I always investigate peripheral compatibility before I buy.
What issues did you encounter?

--Vic

wrote:

Nobody gives a flying **** what
you think about HK.
Somehow...this makes me feel...refreshed.

On Apr 6, 6:46*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:23:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Apr 6, 4:10*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:09:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Apr 6, 8:16*am, wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 05:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

More like BOB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8hyjEGkm-A

Wrong BOB. MS came out with a... wait for it... dumbed down version of Windows
they called BOB. Looked like it was designed by Mr. Rogers in collaboration with
Fisher-Price. It was a major flop, but subsequent versions of Windows have
interfaces that look more and more like BOB, with vivid, cartoonish, brightly
colored rounded icons, etc.

I thought I was in your bozo bin?

I guess you missed it when I explained that I rarely kill off anybody
permanently. I first set a 7-10 day filter that marks their posts "READ" so my
reader skips right over them. If one of those is in a thread I'm following, I
sometimes read it to see if its anything other than more of the stuff I killed
them about. After 10 days, the filter expires and they are back to normal. If
they still haven't changed their tune, I once again set a "READ" filter, but
usually for 30 days. If they are still acting like a jackass after that, I
permanently filter them, either completely, or to mark as "READ".

Periodically I delete ALL my filters, as most of the posters involved are no
longer posting, or the overly long thread I filtered is so old that it's no
longer a problem.

I usually refer to my filter as "The Penalty Box", not the Bozo Bin, although
many Bozo's get put there.

yeah, yeah.. I read of your hypocracies. First you arogantly announce
to the world that i was in your "bin" now you say it is a "penalty
box?"

Because I had already explained at length how my penalty box works. You got a
time out in the corner for posting those idiotic dots. Post some more, and
you'll be back in the corner wearing a dunce hat for a week or so.

Good lord. that's like announcing that one is pregnant, then
saying one is *"a little bit pregnant". Well, you either are or you
arn't.

If you had read and understood what I wrote, you'd be embarrassed that you used
a totally stuipd analogy that doesn't fit at all. Kill filters are no an
either/or situation. There are lots of types of filters and ways of setting
them. As I said, I still download your headers when you are filtered, but your
posts get marked read as soon as the are downloaded.

You may as well put me in there permamently like you said you were
going to do with Loogy, and Scott, that is unless you pull them out,
play with them a while then put them back in....

Backyard COPD is still filtered, and will probably stay that way for a while. He
hasn't posted much that was useful or entertaining in a long time, and the dots
are a nuisance, plain and simple. I was not the only one here who told him it
was stupid and annoying. Loogy's posts likewise are automatically marked read
for pretty much the same reason. Too many of his posts are just saying one thing
a million diferent ways. Newsflash for Loogy: Nobody gives a flying **** what
you think about HK. The less said about HK the better. *Posts by both Captain
Coughupalung and Loogy are still available to me if I want to read them for some
odd reason, but I navigate new posts by hitting my *"N" key to get to to the
next unread post, so most of the time, I ignore them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, why do you keep blabbing? Put me in the kill file and be done
with it!

On Apr 6, 6:46*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:23:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Apr 6, 4:10*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:09:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Apr 6, 8:16*am, wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 05:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

More like BOB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8hyjEGkm-A

Wrong BOB. MS came out with a... wait for it... dumbed down version of Windows
they called BOB. Looked like it was designed by Mr. Rogers in collaboration with
Fisher-Price. It was a major flop, but subsequent versions of Windows have
interfaces that look more and more like BOB, with vivid, cartoonish, brightly
colored rounded icons, etc.

I thought I was in your bozo bin?

I guess you missed it when I explained that I rarely kill off anybody
permanently. I first set a 7-10 day filter that marks their posts "READ" so my
reader skips right over them. If one of those is in a thread I'm following, I
sometimes read it to see if its anything other than more of the stuff I killed
them about. After 10 days, the filter expires and they are back to normal. If
they still haven't changed their tune, I once again set a "READ" filter, but
usually for 30 days. If they are still acting like a jackass after that, I
permanently filter them, either completely, or to mark as "READ".

Periodically I delete ALL my filters, as most of the posters involved are no
longer posting, or the overly long thread I filtered is so old that it's no
longer a problem.

I usually refer to my filter as "The Penalty Box", not the Bozo Bin, although
many Bozo's get put there.

yeah, yeah.. I read of your hypocracies. First you arogantly announce
to the world that i was in your "bin" now you say it is a "penalty
box?"

Because I had already explained at length how my penalty box works. You got a
time out in the corner for posting those idiotic dots. Post some more, and
you'll be back in the corner wearing a dunce hat for a week or so.

Good lord. that's like announcing that one is pregnant, then
saying one is *"a little bit pregnant". Well, you either are or you
arn't.

If you had read and understood what I wrote, you'd be embarrassed that you used
a totally stuipd analogy that doesn't fit at all.

pardone me I didn't see anything that you wrote that would make sense.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
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I know some people will not believe this, but this is the God's honest
truth.

I just got an email from my son. I told him I would purchase him a new
laptop when he starts his post graduate work next fall. I had been
reviewing the laptops in the marketplace, and decided on Lenovo, MACPRO
was just too damn expensive. Lenovo build a first class, dependable
computer very popular business and professionals because they are so
reliable. They build them without all of the freeware, demoware, spyware
and general bloatware that you find on so many mfg'ers. This crap can
turn a good computer into a piece of crap that runs at a snail's pace.
Dell has stopped putting it into their very limited business line of
computers, but still loads up consumer models with all of this stuff. I
read that Dell makes about $60 for every computer they put this into, so
they have refused to remove it from the bulk of their computers, but it
might be why they are having financial problems.

I told my son I could get him a Lenovo with WinXP fully loaded as long as
I purchased it before June 30 and I wanted to know if he wanted a 14" or
15" screen. His reply to me was:

"At my job I spent most of my time using a Mac, but I did have to use a PC
for certain projects. It had Windows Vista on it, and i am certain
history will call Vista Microsoft's version of "New Coke". I really
appreciate your offer to buy me a new laptop, but could you just give me
the money you were going to spend on the Lenovo, and let me buy a MAC".

That is a strong statement for MAC's when a college student would rather
spend his own money upgrading to a MAC than use a PC, and is an example of
why Apple's market share continues to grow. My son is a pretty smart guy
and I guess that is why a top tier school gave him a complete scholarship,
and is paying him a decent salary to continue his education. He is too
smart to buy into MS's "NEW COKE".

Let him do it. I have Vista on what was supposed to be my next main
desktop. Not shabby either, quad processor, 8gb of RAM, 2 500GB hard drives
and copying file is a painful experience compared to any of XP, Mac or
Linux.

Vista is worse than Win-Me.