On Apr 8, 12:03*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:ca5nv315o0qlp178bt7qnlkkg3k8p59518@4ax .com...

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:27:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I'll *have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI.

Not that you asked for my opinion, but those guys are the best.

Seriously.

Having witnessed another diesel "surveyor" *who basically took an oil
sample, documented the engine serial numbers and checked the oil level, I
agree.

The guys from DePaul really exercised, tested, took readings, etc. of the
engines during the Navigator sea trial.
They even dynamically check things like the engine mounts by having the
operator fairly rapidly go from full forward, to idle, to reverse and then
almost full power again. * Several times. * Made the hair on my neck stand
up.

Eisboch

I understand that feeling! When I worked on my cousin's race cars and
we'd take a motor to the shop and have them dyno it, it did the same
thing to me!

On Apr 8, 8:00*am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 8, 7:44*am, "Eisboch" wrote:





"Tim" wrote in message

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On Apr 8, 5:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:

The oil was changed when it was laid up last fall, so a new
oil analysis isn't going to determine much of anything. If we proceed with
this boat, an arduous sea trial with a good diesel mechanic is in order.

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 7:44 am, "Eisboch" wrote:

Good information regarding the 5.9 Turbo. Thanks. I suspected they are
good engines because I really can't find anything negative reported
about
them. Even if they typically need a rebuild after 5000 hours, they would
be fine for me. I doubt I'll put more than 50-100 hours a year on them.


BTW, Richard.

i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.

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Well, based on your recommendations and input from DePaul Diesel Service,
my concerns about the hours are diminished.
I am still going to have DePaul do engine surveys anyway.

So, if one of the engines blows up the day after closing, I'll come knocking
on your door for donations. :-)

Current status: We've agreed on the price and conditions. The signed P&S
and deposit will be forwarded in the morning.
The process is underway.

Eisboch

Tim wrote:
On Apr 8, 8:00 am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 8, 7:44 am, "Eisboch" wrote:





"Tim" wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 5:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
The oil was changed when it was laid up last fall, so a new
oil analysis isn't going to determine much of anything. If we proceed with
this boat, an arduous sea trial with a good diesel mechanic is in order.
The people that the buyer of the Navigator hired would be good. They
really
run the engines through their paces, checking all temps and operation
while
underway, doing things I'd never do with a boat.
Richard. the 5.9 Turbo diesel si one of the most rock solid engines
built. Many a workin' mansDodge pickup has run them with little
maintenance over oil changes for 400,000+ miles.
In anything else, ask for an oil analysis test. I'm sure you're
familiar with it, but maybe not. They suck up some engine oil, send it
to have sampled then the lab can tell you a lot aboutt he internals of
the engine. Just like a blood test. amazing what they can find in
there.
Of course if it was freah changed befor moth-balling, it wond be of
much help. but if it's seasoned oil, it would be to your benefit. the
testing is cheap too.
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Good information regarding the 5.9 Turbo. Thanks. I suspected they are
good engines because I really can't find anything negative reported about
them. Even if they typically need a rebuild after 5000 hours, they would
be fine for me. I doubt I'll put more than 50-100 hours a year on them.
As I mentioned in my original post, the oil was changed at lay up last fall,
so an oil analysis won't be very meaningful.
Eisboch
Sorry, I missed your statement about the oil change. But one thing
about the 5.9 cummins is it's popularity obviously because of Dodge.
Now I don't know about a marinized version which would be manifold
and possibly turbo, and don't know about the labor, but even so, a
NEW (not reman) longblock engine is less than $8,000.00 USD from what
I understand.

BTW, not counting the long lifespan, they're also a very economical
engine. PLUS there's lots fo tricks that can be doe tot hem to gain
major horsepower safely.- Hide quoted text -

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BTW, Richard.

i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.



I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine
use. I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:10:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Current status: We've agreed on the price and conditions. The signed P&S
and deposit will be forwarded in the morning.
The process is underway.

Kewl.

I'm still screwing around with the concept stage.

~~ mutter ~~

"HK" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:

i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.



I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine use.
I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.



From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons, you
pay a high price. If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

It's ok though. Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... :-)

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.



I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine use.
I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.



From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons, you
pay a high price. If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

It's ok though. Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... :-)

Eisboch




I'll be glad to put up a half a sawbuck.

JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.


I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine
use. I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.


From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons, you
pay a high price. If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

It's ok though. Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... :-)

Eisboch


You can always beg for donations here. We have a NG who can give you some
tips on doing so. ;-)




You're soooooo bad....

JimH wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.


I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine
use. I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.


From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons,
you pay a high price. If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

It's ok though. Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... :-)

Eisboch

You can always beg for donations here. We have a NG who can give you some
tips on doing so. ;-)


*NG member*.......

Sorry..........not a good day for me. ;-(



Gee...did you mean Newsgroup Member or...

No Good Member?


:)

"JimH" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:

i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.



I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine
use. I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.



From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons,
you pay a high price. If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

It's ok though. Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... :-)

Eisboch


You can always beg for donations here. We have a NG who can give you some
tips on doing so. ;-)

You are an asshole.