D.Duck wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"hk" wrote in message
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I feel for American workers who gave their all for the corporation and
in the end got screwed by it in losing their jobs, or their health care,
or their pensions.


I agree with you. Unfortunately, not all American workers give their
"all" for the corporation.
To many .... too many ... it's a job and that's about where the loyalty
ends.

Eisboch

There should be no loyalty to corporations viewing employees as a number
and ready to release them in a heartbeat without a concern during
downsizing.

Things are not the way they once were.


In my opinion that's not very good advice for the younger generation.



What's your advice? Be loyal to a corporation that will ship your job
overseas at the first opportunity?

"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"hk" wrote in message
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I feel for American workers who gave their all for the corporation and
in the end got screwed by it in losing their jobs, or their health
care, or their pensions.


I agree with you. Unfortunately, not all American workers give their
"all" for the corporation.
To many .... too many ... it's a job and that's about where the
loyalty ends.

Eisboch

There should be no loyalty to corporations viewing employees as a number
and ready to release them in a heartbeat without a concern during
downsizing.

Things are not the way they once were.


In my opinion that's not very good advice for the younger generation.

What's your advice? Be loyal to a corporation that will ship your job
overseas at the first opportunity?

Loyalty, that's my opinion.

D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"hk" wrote in message
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I feel for American workers who gave their all for the corporation and
in the end got screwed by it in losing their jobs, or their health
care, or their pensions.

I agree with you. Unfortunately, not all American workers give their
"all" for the corporation.
To many .... too many ... it's a job and that's about where the
loyalty ends.

Eisboch

There should be no loyalty to corporations viewing employees as a number
and ready to release them in a heartbeat without a concern during
downsizing.

Things are not the way they once were.

In my opinion that's not very good advice for the younger generation.
What's your advice? Be loyal to a corporation that will ship your job
overseas at the first opportunity?

Loyalty, that's my opinion.



Loyalty is a two way street. Millions of hard working Americans who were
loyal to their corporations are now jobless, health care less, pension less.

On Apr 8, 4:19*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Apr 8, 3:37 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



I didn't count them all, but I estimated close to 3,000 listed just at
this
source.

I wonder how that compares to the automotive industry and the number of
different car manufacturers.

Eisboch

Richard, before ww2 there were about 10,000 registered auto
manufacturers in the US. Some of them only made one car

Even Briggs & Stratton, made a buckboard type motorized wagon.

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That's an amazing statistic.

Eisboch

I used to have a book I bought int heearly '70's that was the
"American Automobile Encyclopedia" Dang, I loaned it out to a friend
and in a couple months it was cooked in his house fire. I've never
seen another like it. It was an amazing book with lots of pics and
stats in it.

On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:08:21 -0700, Tim wrote:

On Apr 8, 4:19*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Apr 8, 3:37 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



I didn't count them all, but I estimated close to 3,000 listed just at
this
source.

I wonder how that compares to the automotive industry and the number of
different car manufacturers.

Eisboch

Richard, before ww2 there were about 10,000 registered auto
manufacturers in the US. Some of them only made one car

Even Briggs & Stratton, made a buckboard type motorized wagon.

-------------------------------

That's an amazing statistic.

Eisboch

I used to have a book I bought int heearly '70's that was the
"American Automobile Encyclopedia" Dang, I loaned it out to a friend
and in a couple months it was cooked in his house fire. I've never
seen another like it. It was an amazing book with lots of pics and
stats in it.

I also have that book (wife reassures me it's still here anyhow). The
photos are of the finest quality for the time on clay paper like many
magazines. You are correct, as it has one of the most complete historic
accounting of automobiles in America up to the time of the Mussel cars.

I met a fellow that was working on a reproduction of a curved dash
Oldsmobile in St.Pete years ago. He had never seen the medallion on the
side of one. I took the book to him so he could copy the life size
medallion to have one made for the reproduction that was powered with I
believe a Briggs engine at the time. I believe he was doing upholstery and
top work on it at the time. Not sure if he was the owner.

He owned a business that had large metric bolts that couldn't be found any
place locally and saved my ass on the job I was finishing up. Saved a
local company air freight charges for four large bolts. I think the bolts
were around 22mm in dia. that's not the hex head size either.

This may well be the car here with the red and gold medallions on each
side. It's located in the right part of the state if you are familiar with
the history of Oldsmar, Florida.

Thanks for the memory!

Watch wrap.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu... Den%26sa%3DG

"RLM" wrote in message
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This may well be the car here with the red and gold medallions on each
side. It's located in the right part of the state if you are familiar with
the history of Oldsmar, Florida.

Thanks for the memory!

Watch wrap.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu... Den%26sa%3DG


Some nice looking sleds there.

Eisboch

On Apr 8, 5:17*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

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I feel for American workers who gave their all for the corporation and in
the end got screwed by it in losing their jobs, or their health care, or
their pensions.

I agree with you. *Unfortunately, not all American workers give their "all"
for the corporation.
To many .... *too many ... it's a job and that's about where the loyalty
ends.

Eisboch

I have to agree. While I think that unions provided a much needed
middle ground in the employee versus employer showdown, and I also
think unions did much for the horrid working conditions, I've seen the
you-can't-fire-me apathy first hand.

On Apr 8, 9:08*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 8, 4:19*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:





"Tim" wrote in message

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On Apr 8, 3:37 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

I didn't count them all, but I estimated close to 3,000 listed just at
this
source.

I wonder how that compares to the automotive industry and the number of
different car manufacturers.

Eisboch

Richard, before ww2 there were about 10,000 registered auto
manufacturers in the US. Some of them only made one car

Even Briggs & Stratton, made a buckboard type motorized wagon.

-------------------------------

That's an amazing statistic.

Eisboch

I used to have a book I bought int heearly '70's that was the
"American Automobile Encyclopedia" *Dang, I loaned it out to a friend
and in a couple months it was cooked in his house fire. *I've never
seen another like it. It was an amazing book with lots of pics and
stats in it.- Hide quoted text -

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My father was a Ford man, and growing up in a family of gearheads, I
was one, too. When I was in grade school every library day I studied
about Henry Ford. The more I learned the more my fascination made me
read more about him. A true visionary and one who had some eclectic
ideas that were ahead of his time. Did you know that he invented
charcoal briquettes? His seats had oak frames and he didn't like
having waste, so he came up with the process around 1920. BBQ grill
and Ford charcoal was available at Ford dealerships!

http://www.grillershallofflame.com/i...coal_grill.jpg

http://tinyurl.com/3ntljy

On Apr 9, 7:02*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"RLM" wrote in message

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This may well be the car here with the red and gold medallions on each
side. It's located in the right part of the state if you are familiar with
the history of Oldsmar, Florida.

Thanks for the memory!

Watch wrap.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...lubofflorida.c....

Some nice looking sleds there.

Eisboch

1970 Rallye 350........ Simply beautiful.

On Apr 9, 7:35*am, wrote:
On Apr 8, 5:17*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:





"hk" wrote in message

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I feel for American workers who gave their all for the corporation and in
the end got screwed by it in losing their jobs, or their health care, or
their pensions.

I agree with you. *Unfortunately, not all American workers give their "all"
for the corporation.
To many .... *too many ... it's a job and that's about where the loyalty
ends.

Eisboch

I have to agree. While I think that unions provided a much needed
middle ground in the employee versus employer showdown, and I also
think unions did much for the horrid working conditions,

Agreed!



I've seen the you-can't-fire-me apathy first hand

In some circumstances, it kinda makes you wonder who works for who,
doesn't it?