Harry isn't the only one who prefers a Non-Windows operating system


April 10, 2008 (Computerworld) Calling the situation "untenable" and
describing Windows as "collapsing," a pair of Gartner analysts yesterday
said Microsoft Corp. must make radical changes to its operating system
or risk becoming a has-been.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/...intsrc=hm_list

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


April 10, 2008 (Computerworld) Calling the situation "untenable" and
describing Windows as "collapsing," a pair of Gartner analysts yesterday
said Microsoft Corp. must make radical changes to its operating system
or risk becoming a has-been.






Wow...Reggie has been studying news clips again. Not operating
systems...news clips. Impressive.

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:48:50 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Harry isn't the only one who prefers a Non-Windows operating system


April 10, 2008 (Computerworld) Calling the situation "untenable" and
describing Windows as "collapsing," a pair of Gartner analysts yesterday
said Microsoft Corp. must make radical changes to its operating system
or risk becoming a has-been.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/...intsrc=hm_list

It's kind of interesting. I've seen Vista machines run fine and Vista
machines that run like over loaded 386s.

Hard to understand it.

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:28:34 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?
command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9076698&intsrc= hm_list

It's kind of interesting. I've seen Vista machines run fine and Vista
machines that run like over loaded 386s.

Hard to understand it.

IMO, that article is quite right. Besides the hypervisor, Windows 7 is
to be based on a minimal kernel, MinWin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7

The question is, will it be enough? I also find it quite humorous. If
you want to see what those great "innovators" in Redmond, will propose as
the latest and greatest in a year or two, look here, now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:47:47 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:28:34 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?
command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9076698&intsrc =hm_list

It's kind of interesting. I've seen Vista machines run fine and Vista
machines that run like over loaded 386s.

Hard to understand it.

IMO, that article is quite right. Besides the hypervisor, Windows 7 is
to be based on a minimal kernel, MinWin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7

The question is, will it be enough? I also find it quite humorous. If
you want to see what those great "innovators" in Redmond, will propose as
the latest and greatest in a year or two, look here, now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen

Any software system that uses terms like paravirtualization,
hypercall, hypervisor, sandboxed guest system, is going to be too
complex for the average user because you just know that more terms
will be invented that make no sense and just confuse the issue.

JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:28:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:48:50 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Harry isn't the only one who prefers a Non-Windows operating system


April 10, 2008 (Computerworld) Calling the situation "untenable" and
describing Windows as "collapsing," a pair of Gartner analysts yesterday
said Microsoft Corp. must make radical changes to its operating system
or risk becoming a has-been.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/...intsrc=hm_list
It's kind of interesting. I've seen Vista machines run fine and Vista
machines that run like over loaded 386s.

Hard to understand it.

Our company hired a Network Engineer to come in for an afternoon and
meet with a few engineers at our company to talk over some network
security and configuration scenarios with a new product we're
releasing.

At the end of our meeting, talk turned to operating systems. Keep in
mind this guy is a highly certified IT network guy who services small
to large companies over a 3 state area.

His statement? Vista is a joke. Virtually no one is using it in the
business world, and no one is planning to migrate. If you have a
certain type of site license, you can continue to downgrade your new
machines to XP Pro even after the official "end-of-life", and that's
what all his client companies are doing.

The only people that are using it are home users and very small
businesses who have no other choice. Anyone else that has a choice is
staying away... in droves.


Uh-huh.

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:08:05 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Any software system that uses terms like paravirtualization, hypercall,
hypervisor, sandboxed guest system, is going to be too complex for the
average user because you just know that more terms will be invented that
make no sense and just confuse the issue.

But isn't that half of any tech sector? I've known more than one
"techie" who kept his job by knowing the lingo. You may not know squat,
but throwout some big terms, and you can BS the civilians. ;-)

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:17:54 -0400, HK wrote:


His statement? Vista is a joke. Virtually no one is using it in the
business world, and no one is planning to migrate. If you have a
certain type of site license, you can continue to downgrade your new
machines to XP Pro even after the official "end-of-life", and that's
what all his client companies are doing.


Uh-huh.

You know, Harry, he may be right. Business has always been slower
picking up on a new OS. Migration and training costs sometimes keep them
with an older OS until there is a reason to upgrade, either needed
hardware replacement, or something in the newer software is needed. I
know you like Vista, and, frankly, I've never used it, but sell me. What
am I missing out on by not using Vista? What does it do, that couldn't
be done with XP?

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:17:54 -0400, HK wrote:


His statement? Vista is a joke. Virtually no one is using it in the
business world, and no one is planning to migrate. If you have a
certain type of site license, you can continue to downgrade your new
machines to XP Pro even after the official "end-of-life", and that's
what all his client companies are doing.


Uh-huh.

You know, Harry, he may be right. Business has always been slower
picking up on a new OS. Migration and training costs sometimes keep them
with an older OS until there is a reason to upgrade, either needed
hardware replacement, or something in the newer software is needed. I
know you like Vista, and, frankly, I've never used it, but sell me. What
am I missing out on by not using Vista? What does it do, that couldn't
be done with XP?

I can dual boot Vista or WinXP. The only thing I've found in Vista that is
even remotely unique are the cutesy "gadgets".

wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:17:54 -0400, HK wrote:


His statement? Vista is a joke. Virtually no one is using it in the
business world, and no one is planning to migrate. If you have a
certain type of site license, you can continue to downgrade your new
machines to XP Pro even after the official "end-of-life", and that's
what all his client companies are doing.


Uh-huh.

You know, Harry, he may be right. Business has always been slower
picking up on a new OS. Migration and training costs sometimes keep them
with an older OS until there is a reason to upgrade, either needed
hardware replacement, or something in the newer software is needed. I
know you like Vista, and, frankly, I've never used it, but sell me. What
am I missing out on by not using Vista? What does it do, that couldn't
be done with XP?


If you are happy with XP, there is no reason to upgrade. I had some
problems with a couple of software suites under XP. Those problems
disappeared with VISTA. Also, 32-bit VISTA addresses more memory than
32-bit XP. The security is a little tougher with VISTA. There are lists
of reasons to upgrade out there. If what's on those lists is unimportant
to you, then stay with what you have.

I find the phrase "...no one is using it in the business world..."
laughable b.s.

Meanwhile, the next MS OS beta looks mighty interesting. :)


And I still run XP *and* VISTA on my Macbook. But if I have a problem,
I'm sure "Reggie the Computer Expert" can provide the needed technical
support, if he can google it up.