"JimH" wrote in message
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Apr 15, 11:47 am, "D-unit" wrote:
Actually we needed another workstation
here at work rather quickly ( for my new replacement)
Im keeping a desk and my pc here for the time being.
I went up to the TigerDirect store in North Raleigh
Sunday to see what they had.

I got:

Acer Veriton M410
Windoze Xp Pro SPII
1GB DDRII
AMD Sempron 3800+
160GB SATA
Built in video/LAN/sound

Brand new, not a refurb.

$379.00 plus tax.

After 2 hours of downloading/installing "updates"
...She works fine.

db

After studying and then the advice of a real, genuine person that is
degreed and works in the IT field (not plays one in rec.boats!), I
also went with the AMD chip. It consitently clocks faster than Intel
chips of the same variety. Never had a problem with it.

I haven't owned an Intel chip since my first experiences with AMD....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats



They are indeed fast but tend to run hotter than Intel..........cooling is
always an issue especially if you overclock them.

Depends which group of CPUs we are talking about.

For single core, it was a mix.

Dual core CPUs AMD generally runs faster and cooler than Intel.

With the advent of quad cores, power consumption is generally slightly lower
for AMD, but the performance goes to Intel.

If I was buying a laptop dual core, I would favor AMD. If a desktop with
quad cores, I would buy either but if cost be even, do Intel. For dual core
though, AMD.

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:47:15 -0400, "D-unit"
wrote:

Actually we needed another workstation
here at work rather quickly ( for my new replacement)
Im keeping a desk and my pc here for the time being.
I went up to the TigerDirect store in North Raleigh
Sunday to see what they had.

I got:

Acer Veriton M410
Windoze Xp Pro SPII
1GB DDRII
AMD Sempron 3800+
160GB SATA
Built in video/LAN/sound

Brand new, not a refurb.


$379.00 plus tax.

After 2 hours of downloading/installing "updates"
...She works fine.

db

Dell has a pretty good deal this month on an Intel Core 2 Quad
Processor Q6600 (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)

http://tinyurl.com/5ju6bp

Should be blazing fast with a 4 way multi processor chip and a lot of
cache memory. Unfortunately it comes with Vista but should be fast
enough to run it OK if your applications work.

"HK" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. com...
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Apr 15, 11:47 am, "D-unit" wrote:
Actually we needed another workstation
here at work rather quickly ( for my new replacement)
Im keeping a desk and my pc here for the time being.
I went up to the TigerDirect store in North Raleigh
Sunday to see what they had.

I got:

Acer Veriton M410
Windoze Xp Pro SPII
1GB DDRII
AMD Sempron 3800+
160GB SATA
Built in video/LAN/sound

Brand new, not a refurb.

$379.00 plus tax.

After 2 hours of downloading/installing "updates"
...She works fine.

db
After studying and then the advice of a real, genuine person that is
degreed and works in the IT field (not plays one in rec.boats!), I
also went with the AMD chip. It consitently clocks faster than Intel
chips of the same variety. Never had a problem with it.
I haven't owned an Intel chip since my first experiences with AMD....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

They are indeed fast but tend to run hotter than Intel..........cooling
is always an issue especially if you overclock them.

Apparently the latest high-end AMD chipset is a distant second to the
latest high-end Intel chipset with which it competes.

I wouldn't say distant. 5-10%. But each on the top end processors, AMD is
also about 5% less watts which is less heat last I looked.

I get a kick out of the people who buy the top notch new processor that adds
$500-700 to the tag for that extra 10% in CPU speed. Which is never
realized as increasing video, RAM and hard drives are the bottle neck. Many
PCs today are like Volkswagen beetles with Pratt and Whitney turbofans in a
70mph capable chassis.

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. com...
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Apr 15, 11:47 am, "D-unit" wrote:
Actually we needed another workstation
here at work rather quickly ( for my new replacement)
Im keeping a desk and my pc here for the time being.
I went up to the TigerDirect store in North Raleigh
Sunday to see what they had.

I got:

Acer Veriton M410
Windoze Xp Pro SPII
1GB DDRII
AMD Sempron 3800+
160GB SATA
Built in video/LAN/sound

Brand new, not a refurb.

$379.00 plus tax.

After 2 hours of downloading/installing "updates"
...She works fine.

db

After studying and then the advice of a real, genuine person that is
degreed and works in the IT field (not plays one in rec.boats!), I
also went with the AMD chip. It consitently clocks faster than Intel
chips of the same variety. Never had a problem with it.

I haven't owned an Intel chip since my first experiences with AMD....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats



They are indeed fast but tend to run hotter than Intel..........cooling is
always an issue especially if you overclock them.


Why the hell would anybody overclock a modern CPU chip? You are number 1
asking for problems with any hardware race condition possible. And most PC
use at home is more bandwidth limited by parts outside the CPU. Maybe if
you had a 5000 cell spreadsheet, with lots of formulas, there would be a
difference between CPU's but 99.99999% of home use and even business use
would be fine with a 2 ghz cpu. The closest to needing the really fast CPU
are the gamers, and they are better off getting some of the new game
consoles. Look how long it takes to boot a PC anymore. Most of the time is
watching the disk activity light being on. A 10k rpm drive with good
caching would help a lot, but even with read ahead, the disk is a lot of the
limitation anymore.

Canuck57 wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. com...
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Apr 15, 11:47 am, "D-unit" wrote:
Actually we needed another workstation
here at work rather quickly ( for my new replacement)
Im keeping a desk and my pc here for the time being.
I went up to the TigerDirect store in North Raleigh
Sunday to see what they had.

I got:

Acer Veriton M410
Windoze Xp Pro SPII
1GB DDRII
AMD Sempron 3800+
160GB SATA
Built in video/LAN/sound

Brand new, not a refurb.

$379.00 plus tax.

After 2 hours of downloading/installing "updates"
...She works fine.

db
After studying and then the advice of a real, genuine person that is
degreed and works in the IT field (not plays one in rec.boats!), I
also went with the AMD chip. It consitently clocks faster than Intel
chips of the same variety. Never had a problem with it.
I haven't owned an Intel chip since my first experiences with AMD....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
They are indeed fast but tend to run hotter than Intel..........cooling
is always an issue especially if you overclock them.
Apparently the latest high-end AMD chipset is a distant second to the
latest high-end Intel chipset with which it competes.

I wouldn't say distant. 5-10%. But each on the top end processors, AMD is
also about 5% less watts which is less heat last I looked.

I get a kick out of the people who buy the top notch new processor that adds
$500-700 to the tag for that extra 10% in CPU speed. Which is never
realized as increasing video, RAM and hard drives are the bottle neck. Many
PCs today are like Volkswagen beetles with Pratt and Whitney turbofans in a
70mph capable chassis.




Some of the new dual slot video cards alone generate more heat than just
about everything else on the motherboard together. I keep on eye on the
temps of the components in my PC box that have measuring devices
attached, and nothing really competes with the video card in terms of
temps. It has its own fan and big heat sinks. The bottlenecks are as you
described, though.

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:15:10 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:47:15 -0400, "D-unit"
wrote:

Actually we needed another workstation
here at work rather quickly ( for my new replacement)
Im keeping a desk and my pc here for the time being.
I went up to the TigerDirect store in North Raleigh
Sunday to see what they had.

I got:

Acer Veriton M410
Windoze Xp Pro SPII
1GB DDRII
AMD Sempron 3800+
160GB SATA
Built in video/LAN/sound

Brand new, not a refurb.


$379.00 plus tax.

After 2 hours of downloading/installing "updates"
...She works fine.

db

Dell has a pretty good deal this month on an Intel Core 2 Quad
Processor Q6600 (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)

http://tinyurl.com/5ju6bp

Should be blazing fast with a 4 way multi processor chip and a lot of
cache memory. Unfortunately it comes with Vista but should be fast
enough to run it OK if your applications work.

Dell will substitutes XP for Vista. Many folks are doing so.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:58:19 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



Why the hell would anybody overclock a modern CPU chip?

To get a better benchmark than another overclocker, and brag.
Same with the Intel vs AMD crap.

You are number 1
asking for problems with any hardware race condition possible. And most PC
use at home is more bandwidth limited by parts outside the CPU. Maybe if
you had a 5000 cell spreadsheet, with lots of formulas, there would be a
difference between CPU's but 99.99999% of home use and even business use
would be fine with a 2 ghz cpu. The closest to needing the really fast CPU
are the gamers, and they are better off getting some of the new game
consoles. Look how long it takes to boot a PC anymore. Most of the time is
watching the disk activity light being on. A 10k rpm drive with good
caching would help a lot, but even with read ahead, the disk is a lot of the
limitation anymore.

You can set up RAID for better performance too, but I never tried it
since I seldom have a game slowdown with 7500rpm disks.
A lot of PC gamers have no interest in game consoles, including me.
Most of the bleeding edge stuff is overkill. Benchmark bragging
rights. Like a car that can go 165mph but is always driven under 90,
and mostly at 25.
I upgraded my PC once to play a new game the old one couldn't handle.
That was a few years ago, and I've been solid with every subsequent
high-demand game.
After the P4 came out, the only things that kills game play is
insufficient memory or video card capability.

--Vic

Cool... another FS nut! I've been at it for a while, and have tested for MS
since 5.1.

--Mike

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On Apr 15, 1:29 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
After studying and then the advice of a real, genuine person that is
degreed and works in the IT field (not plays one in rec.boats!), I
also went with the AMD chip. It consitently clocks faster than Intel
chips of the same variety. Never had a problem with it.

I have been migrating my fleet over to the AMD 3800s too. They do seem
plenty fast but I am running about a half a gig less software than
most folks (W98). I do notice my audio and video edits go a lot
quicker tho.
When my wife wins her solitaire game the cards really fly out of the
stack ;-)

I am using XP at the house desktop that has the AMD chip. It's got a
hot shot video card because I use FlightSim on it and don't like
choppy graphics when I'm flying a 737 in ILS conditions!

On Apr 15, 4:43*pm, "D-unit" wrote:
wrote in ...

On Apr 15, 3:34 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:





On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Apr 15, 11:47 am, "D-unit" wrote:
Actually we needed another workstation
here at work rather quickly ( for my new replacement)
Im keeping a desk and my pc here for the time being.
I went up to the TigerDirect store in North Raleigh
Sunday to see what they had.

I got:

Acer Veriton M410
Windoze Xp Pro SPII
1GB DDRII
AMD Sempron 3800+
160GB SATA
Built in video/LAN/sound

Brand new, not a refurb.

$379.00 plus tax.

After 2 hours of downloading/installing "updates"
...She works fine.

db

After studying and then the advice of a real, genuine person that is
degreed and works in the IT field (not plays one in rec.boats!), I
also went with the AMD chip. It consitently clocks faster than Intel
chips of the same variety. Never had a problem with it.

I haven't owned an Intel chip since my first experiences with AMD....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats- Hide quoted text -

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At one time, several years ago, like 12 or so, there was a problem
with Autocad related to the AMD. I actually had the problem, or else
I'd find it hard to believe! No problems now with autocad, Revit,
STAAD, or any software that I know of.

______

That is hard to believe, *obviously something to do with the
math co-processor.

db- Hide quoted text -

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I believe it was, and yes, I found it very hard to believe at the
time.

On Apr 15, 5:55*pm, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.com...
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Apr 15, 11:47 am, "D-unit" wrote:
Actually we needed another workstation
here at work rather quickly ( for my new replacement)
Im keeping a desk and my pc here for the time being.
I went up to the TigerDirect store in North Raleigh
Sunday to see what they had.

I got:

Acer Veriton M410
Windoze Xp Pro SPII
1GB DDRII
AMD Sempron 3800+
160GB SATA
Built in video/LAN/sound

Brand new, not a refurb.

$379.00 plus tax.

After 2 hours of downloading/installing "updates"
...She works fine.

db
After studying and then the advice of a real, genuine person that is
degreed and works in the IT field (not plays one in rec.boats!), I
also went with the AMD chip. It consitently clocks faster than Intel
chips of the same variety. Never had a problem with it.
I haven't owned an Intel chip since my first experiences with AMD....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

They are indeed fast but tend to run hotter than Intel..........cooling is
always an issue especially if you overclock them.

Apparently the latest high-end AMD chipset is a distant second to the
latest high-end Intel chipset with which it competes.

For those to whom it matters.

One wonders how Loogydrip fitted that AMD chip into his Atari 100?- Hide quoted text -

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Um, dumbass, we were talking about the 3800.
And no, cooling is not a problem. My desktop runs 24/7.