On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:39:18 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:




I'm surprised that the new "super lines" like Fireline do not slip for you
using the improved clinch knot.

The first time I loaded up with one of the super lines about 35 years ago I
tied on a 10 inch Suick using the improved clinch and on the first cast the
Suick went really flying as the knot slipped.

Been using the Palomar ever since. Still use the improved clinch or
sometimes the Palomar with light weight mono and jigs or the like.

That's my experience.

If you're using a heavier test mono, say 15 lbs and up, you really
have to make sure it's cinched tight. I always hold the hook end with
pliers and take a few wraps of the line around my hand then jerk
it with muscle a good five or six times before I clip it.
Even more important with 50 lb leader stuff, which takes some real
force to cinch up tight.
The Firewire isn't nearly as bad, but I always make sure with it too.
You can pretty well feel it before you eyeball it.

--Vic

On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:05:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:39:18 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:




I'm surprised that the new "super lines" like Fireline do not slip for you
using the improved clinch knot.

The first time I loaded up with one of the super lines about 35 years ago I
tied on a 10 inch Suick using the improved clinch and on the first cast the
Suick went really flying as the knot slipped.

Been using the Palomar ever since. Still use the improved clinch or
sometimes the Palomar with light weight mono and jigs or the like.

That's my experience.

If you're using a heavier test mono, say 15 lbs and up, you really
have to make sure it's cinched tight. I always hold the hook end with
pliers and take a few wraps of the line around my hand then jerk
it with muscle a good five or six times before I clip it.
Even more important with 50 lb leader stuff, which takes some real
force to cinch up tight.
The Firewire isn't nearly as bad, but I always make sure with it too.
You can pretty well feel it before you eyeball it.

--Vic

Tieing the knots with the line wet helps tighten the knots. I usually dip
the knot right before cinching it up.
--
John *H*

On Wed, 21 May 2008 20:33:43 -0400, John H.
wrote:



Tieing the knots with the line wet helps tighten the knots. I usually dip
the knot right before cinching it up.

Never thought of that. Thanks.

--Vic

D.Duck wrote:

Check out the braid knot he

http://www.bassresource.com/fish/knots.html

I've been using it for years with good success.

It's also good on monofilament or copolymer but I only wrap
it 4-5 times and start the wrap near the terminal end. You
can also pass the terminal end through the loop and finish
it like the palomar.

"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:05:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:39:18 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:




I'm surprised that the new "super lines" like Fireline do not slip for
you
using the improved clinch knot.

The first time I loaded up with one of the super lines about 35 years ago
I
tied on a 10 inch Suick using the improved clinch and on the first cast
the
Suick went really flying as the knot slipped.

Been using the Palomar ever since. Still use the improved clinch or
sometimes the Palomar with light weight mono and jigs or the like.

That's my experience.

If you're using a heavier test mono, say 15 lbs and up, you really
have to make sure it's cinched tight. I always hold the hook end with
pliers and take a few wraps of the line around my hand then jerk
it with muscle a good five or six times before I clip it.
Even more important with 50 lb leader stuff, which takes some real
force to cinch up tight.
The Firewire isn't nearly as bad, but I always make sure with it too.
You can pretty well feel it before you eyeball it.

--Vic

Tieing the knots with the line wet helps tighten the knots. I usually dip
the knot right before cinching it up.
--
John *H*

Wetting the knot before drawing and tightening helps to prevent heat build
up which can significantly reduce the integrity ( strength ) of the knot.

According to Teddy down at Chimney Point it's not 8 turns, it's 7
and one for luck...

I've used 5 turns for years, and never had one fail yet.

On May 22, 5:13*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

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On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:05:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:39:18 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

I'm surprised that the new "super lines" like Fireline do not slip for
you
using the improved clinch knot.

The first time I loaded up with one of the super lines about 35 years ago
I
tied on a 10 inch Suick using the improved clinch and on the first cast
the
Suick went really flying as the knot slipped.

Been using the Palomar ever since. *Still use the improved clinch or
sometimes the Palomar with light weight mono and jigs or the like.

That's my experience.

If you're using a heavier test mono, say 15 lbs and up, you really
have to make sure it's cinched tight. *I always hold the hook end with
pliers and take a few wraps of the line around my hand then jerk
it with muscle a good five or six times before I clip it.
Even more important with 50 lb leader stuff, which takes some real
force to cinch up tight.
The Firewire isn't nearly as bad, but I always make sure with it too.
You can pretty well feel it before you eyeball it.

--Vic

Tieing the knots with the line wet helps tighten the knots. I usually dip
the knot right before cinching it up.
--
John *H*

Wetting the knot before drawing and tightening helps to prevent heat build
up which can significantly reduce the integrity ( strength ) of the knot.- Hide quoted text -

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Absolutely! When in a hurry, I've burned right through mono because I
didn't wet it.