HK wrote in news:_t-
:

Not bad, Larry. Here, I just mostly watch the antics.



I noticed you've cooled off from the "old days"....(c;

I haven't been watching wrecked.boats for some time, but got bored so added
a few old groups I used to watch. It hasn't changed much in all these
years...scary if your motor is dead and some of them approach you on the
river.

No boats, tonight. Thunder/lightning/raining like hell earlier...

Larry wrote:
HK wrote in news:_t-
:

Not bad, Larry. Here, I just mostly watch the antics.



I noticed you've cooled off from the "old days"....(c;

I haven't been watching wrecked.boats for some time, but got bored so added
a few old groups I used to watch. It hasn't changed much in all these
years...scary if your motor is dead and some of them approach you on the
river.

No boats, tonight. Thunder/lightning/raining like hell earlier...


There's virtually no boating discussions of any consequence taking place
in rec.boats anymore. We've got a bunch of non-boaters, casual boaters,
and certifiable idiots making up the majority now. Most of the actual
boaters have drifted away. Evolution in action.

On May 28, 8:43*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 00:12:22 +0000, Larry wrote:
John H. wrote in
:

On 4-stroke oils, there is a fairly new certification system endorsed
by the
oil blenders and the 4-stroke manufacturers, called "four-stroke,
water-cooled" or FC-W. Because an outboard may run in sal****er, sit
unused for long periods of time, and runs high rpms for hours on end
unlike a car motor, the industry wanted a spec for approved outboard
oils. New owners manuals now state what oil grades to use and say an
FC-W certified oil if you don't use an OEM lubricant. If you are into
synthetics, surprisingly the
Amsoil 4-stroke oil is FC-W approved unlike their 2-stroke oils which
are not TC-W3 approved. Here is more info on the FC-W lubes:

http://nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp
**********************************************

We can't have you boys just dropping by WalMart and buying Quaker State
to put in your 4-strokers, like the rest of the world. *We just HAVE to
make an NMMA-friendly spec of oils only the damned dealers will be
selling for $20/gallon, like the OEM crap.

What nonsense. *More sales gimmicks. *The only reason they don't tell you
you MUST use their OEM oils is the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act
(15USC50 section 2304) which states that if they tell you you MUST use
OEM consumables, then they MUST PROVIDE those consumables at no cost for
the life of the item, no matter what item it is. *That puts a stop to
being forced to buy Mr Goodwrench's oil for your Chevy to keep the
warranty working.

Sure would like to take two brand new Hondas on the back of a boat, put
Rotella T diesel oil in one of them and this overpriced **** in the other
and track everything that goes wrong with both of them for the next
20,000 hours of heavy use on some water taxi. *I bet you'd never tell the
difference.

Amsoil....

Amsoil is a SCAM! *Call 'em. *Ask 'em where the REFINERY or CHEMICAL
PLANT is that AMSOIL OWNS. *Ask for the address of that factory where
they make it. *The only thing Amsoil owns is a BOTTLING PLANT! *You can
see it on Google Earth in Superior, Wisconsin.

"Facilities
THE AMSOIL CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND MAIN
DISTRIBUTION CENTER are located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several
regional warehouses strategically located throughout North America and
overseas. These facilities cover a total of nearly 700,000 square feet.

The state-of-the-art lubricant production plant contains materials
blending and bulk storage facilities, as well as highspeed bottling lines
and packaging equipment. The main warehouse serves as the hub of a global
distribution network; bottles, cases, drums and totes bearing the AMSOIL
label are shipped worldwide. Capacity is geared to meet projected market
demands decades away.

The AMSOIL administrative functions are centrally located and outfitted
with the latest in communications and information processing equipment.
The entire complex is staffed by a cooperative, knowledgeable and well-
disciplined team of approximately 300 employees."

http://www.amsoil.com/distribution_centers_map.aspx
Here ya go. *The address of every one of their "distribution centers" is
on this map. *Look down on 'em from Google Earth and see if you see any
CHEMICAL FACTORY anywhere. *They're all just WAREHOUSES!

Scam written all over it....."Just believe", it's like a goddamned cult.

Man it's raining HARD outside!

Hey, I'm just confused enough to put Yamaha oil in my Yamaha. They can't
say I did something bad then!

In fact, I'll probably let the Yamaha service man put Yamaha oil in my
Yamaha. Then everyone'll be happy!
--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But some people are just too poor to be able to afford an oil that may
end up costing you $5.00 dollars each change, apparently.

On May 28, 8:48*pm, DK wrote:
Larry wrote:
HK wrote in
:

What do the oil manufacturers put into that fancy oil to meet the new
spec?

Nothing they weren't already putting in it.

I've been trying to find out what Amsoil puts in.....and where they put it
in it. *You'd think it'd be in giant tanks in a huge oil facility, not
dumped into a 55 gallon drum of oil from the lowest bidder. *Such a
facility still illudes me. *It's nowhere....

How ya been, Harry?

He's the same as always and still worth ignoring. *Join the club - it
makes the group so much nicer.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry calling a certified mechanic a "wag"......that's rich!

Harry calling a certified mechanic a "wag"......that's rich!- Hide quoted text -


Screw off Chicken ****....

wrote:
On May 28, 8:48 pm, DK wrote:
Larry wrote:
HK wrote in
:
What do the oil manufacturers put into that fancy oil to meet the new
spec?
Nothing they weren't already putting in it.
I've been trying to find out what Amsoil puts in.....and where they put it
in it. You'd think it'd be in giant tanks in a huge oil facility, not
dumped into a 55 gallon drum of oil from the lowest bidder. Such a
facility still illudes me. It's nowhere....
How ya been, Harry?
He's the same as always and still worth ignoring. Join the club - it
makes the group so much nicer.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry calling a certified mechanic a "wag"......that's rich!

Try again, braindead. All our southern mechanic buddy claimed in the
post several weeks ago was that a number of oil marketers had subjected
certain of their products to some sort of certification procedure.
Nowhere did anyone claim that products were specially "brewed" to meet
some *new* standard.

Did you ever actually graduate from high school?

Crikey, you are dumb as a post.

On May 28, 10:30*pm, Larry wrote:
HK wrote in news:_t-
:

Not bad, Larry. Here, I just mostly watch the antics.

I noticed you've cooled off from the "old days"....(c;

I haven't been watching wrecked.boats for some time, but got bored so added
a few old groups I used to watch. *It hasn't changed much in all these
years...scary if your motor is dead and some of them approach you on the
river.

No boats, tonight. *Thunder/lightning/raining like hell earlier...

If you have not been here in a while, you may not understand why this
post is soooo ironic.. Anyway, just to fill you in, many of the more
serious regulars took a lot of their online time to a monitored group
Chuck Gould started about a month ago he
http://boatingforum.proboards91.com/

You will find that some stayed here, some frequent both groups, and
there are one or two who just come here to try to start trouble
between the two. There were three or four trolls at first, most of us
left here at wrecked boats decided not to converse with them here (on
any level) as you will notice if you stick around, and it has been a
lot nicer. I see overnight we still have two really doing their best
to troll anyone out they can, working off each other but as you may
also note, we are all holding our powder (I tranked loogie and have
him tied in a closet, his kids are tormenting him now as we speak...he
is gonna' kill us when he gets out.

The group has been pretty nice for a couple of weeks even if many of
us left here are dry docked for one reason or another. There is only
one real troll left and then there is some new guy chading loogie. If
we can all hold to our agreement I suspect all but one troll will
eventually go away too. The one that is left will eventually be on so
many kill files, it really won't matter.
Since the split for better or for worse, several new and even some old
school readers are popping up to the surface as it were. Harry keeps
saying the group is dead, I think it has just taken a cruise to better
water.

One of the trolls may answer this, you will notice that most of us
left here will ignore the response.. we already know what it says
anyway

Nice to see you back Larry, stick around, we could use the input.

In case you don't know my new sock puppet, JWAFM (me) is Scotty from
SmallBoats.

On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:13:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 28, 8:43*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 00:12:22 +0000, Larry wrote:
John H. wrote in
:

On 4-stroke oils, there is a fairly new certification system endorsed
by the
oil blenders and the 4-stroke manufacturers, called "four-stroke,
water-cooled" or FC-W. Because an outboard may run in sal****er, sit
unused for long periods of time, and runs high rpms for hours on end
unlike a car motor, the industry wanted a spec for approved outboard
oils. New owners manuals now state what oil grades to use and say an
FC-W certified oil if you don't use an OEM lubricant. If you are into
synthetics, surprisingly the
Amsoil 4-stroke oil is FC-W approved unlike their 2-stroke oils which
are not TC-W3 approved. Here is more info on the FC-W lubes:

http://nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp
**********************************************

We can't have you boys just dropping by WalMart and buying Quaker State
to put in your 4-strokers, like the rest of the world. *We just HAVE to
make an NMMA-friendly spec of oils only the damned dealers will be
selling for $20/gallon, like the OEM crap.

What nonsense. *More sales gimmicks. *The only reason they don't tell you
you MUST use their OEM oils is the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act
(15USC50 section 2304) which states that if they tell you you MUST use
OEM consumables, then they MUST PROVIDE those consumables at no cost for
the life of the item, no matter what item it is. *That puts a stop to
being forced to buy Mr Goodwrench's oil for your Chevy to keep the
warranty working.

Sure would like to take two brand new Hondas on the back of a boat, put
Rotella T diesel oil in one of them and this overpriced **** in the other
and track everything that goes wrong with both of them for the next
20,000 hours of heavy use on some water taxi. *I bet you'd never tell the
difference.

Amsoil....

Amsoil is a SCAM! *Call 'em. *Ask 'em where the REFINERY or CHEMICAL
PLANT is that AMSOIL OWNS. *Ask for the address of that factory where
they make it. *The only thing Amsoil owns is a BOTTLING PLANT! *You can
see it on Google Earth in Superior, Wisconsin.

"Facilities
THE AMSOIL CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND MAIN
DISTRIBUTION CENTER are located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several
regional warehouses strategically located throughout North America and
overseas. These facilities cover a total of nearly 700,000 square feet.

The state-of-the-art lubricant production plant contains materials
blending and bulk storage facilities, as well as highspeed bottling lines
and packaging equipment. The main warehouse serves as the hub of a global
distribution network; bottles, cases, drums and totes bearing the AMSOIL
label are shipped worldwide. Capacity is geared to meet projected market
demands decades away.

The AMSOIL administrative functions are centrally located and outfitted
with the latest in communications and information processing equipment.
The entire complex is staffed by a cooperative, knowledgeable and well-
disciplined team of approximately 300 employees."

http://www.amsoil.com/distribution_centers_map.aspx
Here ya go. *The address of every one of their "distribution centers" is
on this map. *Look down on 'em from Google Earth and see if you see any
CHEMICAL FACTORY anywhere. *They're all just WAREHOUSES!

Scam written all over it....."Just believe", it's like a goddamned cult.

Man it's raining HARD outside!

Hey, I'm just confused enough to put Yamaha oil in my Yamaha. They can't
say I did something bad then!

In fact, I'll probably let the Yamaha service man put Yamaha oil in my
Yamaha. Then everyone'll be happy!
--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But some people are just too poor to be able to afford an oil that may
end up costing you $5.00 dollars each change, apparently.

Then they should trade their boat in for one of these:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ardBoating.jpg

--
John *H*

On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:14:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 28, 8:48*pm, DK wrote:
Larry wrote:
HK wrote in
:

What do the oil manufacturers put into that fancy oil to meet the new
spec?

Nothing they weren't already putting in it.

I've been trying to find out what Amsoil puts in.....and where they put it
in it. *You'd think it'd be in giant tanks in a huge oil facility, not
dumped into a 55 gallon drum of oil from the lowest bidder. *Such a
facility still illudes me. *It's nowhere....

How ya been, Harry?

He's the same as always and still worth ignoring. *Join the club - it
makes the group so much nicer.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry calling a certified mechanic a "wag"......that's rich!

Loogy!

Check your email.

Package on the way, over.
--
John *H*

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:14:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 28, 8:48 pm, DK wrote:
Larry wrote:
HK wrote in
:
What do the oil manufacturers put into that fancy oil to meet the new
spec?
Nothing they weren't already putting in it.
I've been trying to find out what Amsoil puts in.....and where they put it
in it. You'd think it'd be in giant tanks in a huge oil facility, not
dumped into a 55 gallon drum of oil from the lowest bidder. Such a
facility still illudes me. It's nowhere....
How ya been, Harry?
He's the same as always and still worth ignoring. Join the club - it
makes the group so much nicer.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Harry calling a certified mechanic a "wag"......that's rich!

Loogy!

Check your email.

Package on the way, over.


I hope you didn't send him part of your brain, since you have so little
left.