On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:34:46 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:59:39 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.

The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady

But pure iron oxide is harder to get. Ochre is the best of the iron oxide
pigments and it came from Provence region of France. Nasty stuff to make.
Take a tour of an old Ochre mine there to see the bad conditions the
people
worked in. So the iron oxide of each region would stand to have trace
minerals coloring it. There for different reds depending on region.

All mining was a nasty business back then. Still is for that matter.
The worst of the danger and health hazards have been somewhat
alleviated most places but it still makes the dangerous list, along
with construction and fishing. I question whether conditions in the
iron oxide mines were notably different depending on what you planned
to do with the stuff. I think things were similar whether the iron
oxide was destined for a furnace or for pigment. You may be right that
the stuff comes in slight color variations. The good white paint was
based on lead carbonate, and more expensive than red, although
whitewash was cheaper

Casady

The mining was not the killer but the processing of the Orche. Early
settlers used whitewash as the pigments were from europe and expensive.

In the case of iron, the colonists were smelting it pretty early on.
They mined the rich, nearly pure, ferrous oxide. Barn paint. The Tom
Sawyer fence whitewash is one thing, but you need expensive ladders
and a bunch of time to paint a barn. I have owned a barn, by the way.
By going for the more durable iron, or, if rich, lead white, you can
get by with once a decade, not spring and fall. I mean you can't keep
whitewash on a barn even with slave labor.

Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:34:46 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:59:39 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.
The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady
But pure iron oxide is harder to get. Ochre is the best of the iron oxide
pigments and it came from Provence region of France. Nasty stuff to make.
Take a tour of an old Ochre mine there to see the bad conditions the
people
worked in. So the iron oxide of each region would stand to have trace
minerals coloring it. There for different reds depending on region.
All mining was a nasty business back then. Still is for that matter.
The worst of the danger and health hazards have been somewhat
alleviated most places but it still makes the dangerous list, along
with construction and fishing. I question whether conditions in the
iron oxide mines were notably different depending on what you planned
to do with the stuff. I think things were similar whether the iron
oxide was destined for a furnace or for pigment. You may be right that
the stuff comes in slight color variations. The good white paint was
based on lead carbonate, and more expensive than red, although
whitewash was cheaper

Casady
The mining was not the killer but the processing of the Orche. Early
settlers used whitewash as the pigments were from europe and expensive.

In the case of iron, the colonists were smelting it pretty early on.
They mined the rich, nearly pure, ferrous oxide. Barn paint. The Tom
Sawyer fence whitewash is one thing, but you need expensive ladders
and a bunch of time to paint a barn. I have owned a barn, by the way.
By going for the more durable iron, or, if rich, lead white, you can
get by with once a decade, not spring and fall. I mean you can't keep
whitewash on a barn even with slave labor.



If the local Amish can't schedule me soon, I am going to have to hire
some "starving students" to repaint my old barn. Maryland tobacco barn
red, of course.

"HK" wrote in message
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:34:46 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:59:39 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.
The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady
But pure iron oxide is harder to get. Ochre is the best of the iron
oxide
pigments and it came from Provence region of France. Nasty stuff to
make.
Take a tour of an old Ochre mine there to see the bad conditions the
people
worked in. So the iron oxide of each region would stand to have trace
minerals coloring it. There for different reds depending on region.
All mining was a nasty business back then. Still is for that matter.
The worst of the danger and health hazards have been somewhat
alleviated most places but it still makes the dangerous list, along
with construction and fishing. I question whether conditions in the
iron oxide mines were notably different depending on what you planned
to do with the stuff. I think things were similar whether the iron
oxide was destined for a furnace or for pigment. You may be right that
the stuff comes in slight color variations. The good white paint was
based on lead carbonate, and more expensive than red, although
whitewash was cheaper

Casady
The mining was not the killer but the processing of the Orche. Early
settlers used whitewash as the pigments were from europe and expensive.

In the case of iron, the colonists were smelting it pretty early on.
They mined the rich, nearly pure, ferrous oxide. Barn paint. The Tom
Sawyer fence whitewash is one thing, but you need expensive ladders
and a bunch of time to paint a barn. I have owned a barn, by the way.
By going for the more durable iron, or, if rich, lead white, you can
get by with once a decade, not spring and fall. I mean you can't keep
whitewash on a barn even with slave labor.



If the local Amish can't schedule me soon, I am going to have to hire some
"starving students" to repaint my old barn. Maryland tobacco barn red, of
course.


No union painters?

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:08:31 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
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If the local Amish can't schedule me soon, I am going to have to hire some
"starving students" to repaint my old barn. Maryland tobacco barn red, of
course.

No union painters?

Too much money. :)

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:08:31 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...

If the local Amish can't schedule me soon, I am going to have to hire
some
"starving students" to repaint my old barn. Maryland tobacco barn red,
of
course.

No union painters?

Too much money. :)
The man has no scruples.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:08:31 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

If the local Amish can't schedule me soon, I am going to have to hire some
"starving students" to repaint my old barn. Maryland tobacco barn red, of
course.
No union painters?

Too much money. :)


Union painters in this area aren't much into homeowner projects. In
fact, all the skilled union trades will be in short supply here soon:
looks like we're going to have another nuke reactor built in the area, a
multi-year job. My local is already recruiting and the job isn't even a
for-sure "go" yet.