On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke?

Oh yes. You've got to love that sound. :-)

We once got chewed out by a guy in a small sail boat for making too
much noise. They guy had a lot of nerve actually since he was a
former tug boat captain. I explained to him the the sound of a big
pair of DD 2 strokes was "music to my ears".

FWIW, I'm seeing more ETECs this year.

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:15:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Hey - thanks for that. I need to look into this as Mrs. Wave wants a
pontoon boat for down south.

What, no Grand Banks trawler ?

How disappointing. :-) Great boat for down here in the islands.

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:38:17 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:40:45 -0400, HK wrote:

Modern higher horsepower outboards are *not* easy to service, period. It
doesn't matter whether you have a high tech two stroke or a four stroke.
You're going to need special knowledge, special training, and special
tools, including computer software and the mechanism to get readings off
the engine's I/O port if you are messing around "under the hood beyond
changing the spark plugs.

Well - I"m....shocked. Both types of engines are very complex, but
not nececssarily difficult to work on. I won't work on mine even
thought I have the software and manuals - don't want to mess up the
seven year full parts/labor warranty.

Um..speaking of which, has the warranty on your Yamaha run out yet? I
know it's only, like, what - one year old? :)

Six year warranty.

No kidding. Hmmm - learn something new everyday. From the website,

Every Yamaha Four Stroke is protected by our 3-Year Limited Warranty
for pleasure use.

I have a seven year full warranty - anything goes wrong, it's
Bombardier's dime.

As for weight, I'm not sure how much it matters in the larger engines.
The 150 hp Evinrude eTec two stroke, for example, displaces about 2.7
liters and weighs 427 pounds. The 150 hp four stroke Yamaha has about
the same displacement and weighs 466 pounds (the Evinrude site has the
wrong weight on the Yamaha 150). Negligible weight difference.

No they don't. That's exactly what the Yamaha weighs with oil/gear
oil/filters/plugs, prop and belts.

Source? My source is my Yamaha manual. Weight with prop, 467 pounds.

~~ snerk ~~

I was agreeing with you - ZZOOOOOMMMMMM.....

I tricked you - I tricked you - you didn't read the whole thing.

BBAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

In real world tests, the two engines would perform about the same under
most operating conditions. The rather outrageous claims I have seen for
eTec fuel burn could only be true if the Evinrude engineers have figured
out how to cheat the laws of physics.

Not outrageous at all. Why do you think most commercial types are
going Evinrude - maybe because the fuel milage (on mine, 3.78 gph on
average) is FAR SUPERIOR to any four stoke and in particular Yamaha?

Cite, please, for "most commercial types are going Evinrude..." There
aren't many down here. Maybe Evinrude isn't trying to buy market share
down here...

You mean Yamaha buys market share? Then again, I suppose that
Chesapeake Bay - within say 5 miles of your launch (which you admit
to) on the Chesapeake - represents the entire universe of commercial
users.

Cite, please, for fuel usage figures, and not from that wild little
Evinrude promo video that's on TV.

Hmmm - let's see...

Mine - V6, 90 degree block, 200 cubic inches, 1.86:1 gear ratio, 509
pounds.

Yours - In-line four cylinder, 60 degree block, 163 cubic inches, 2:1
gear ratio, 467 pounds.

I've had people on my boat from this very group who have witnessed the
fuel milage, quiet, experienced the pure raw power - how about you?

Tooling around this morning at idle - amazing fuel flow reading .2GPH.

Point two - not bad huh?

Besides - who would want an engine with a tuning fork emblem on it?
:)
If I run my Yamaha at 600 rpm, I get that sort of gph, too. So what?

I've got 40 more cubic inches, lower gear ratio, higher compression,
more agressive block angle and I'm heavier by 50 pounds - actually 60
pounds because it's a 25" shaft engine and my boat at 20' weighs the
same as your boat at 21'. Plus it's pushing a T-Top around
occasionally with a wind screen on it.

I WIN - YOU LOSE!!!

I'm #1 - Your #2!!!

Er...that didn't come out right. Sorry - I apologize.

Tuning fork? Feh. Who wants a French outboard? :)

Well, I'll have to give you that one. :)

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:11:49 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke?

Oh yes. You've got to love that sound. :-)

We once got chewed out by a guy in a small sail boat for making too
much noise. They guy had a lot of nerve actually since he was a
former tug boat captain. I explained to him the the sound of a big
pair of DD 2 strokes was "music to my ears".

Ain't nothing like the sound of a two stroke diesel. Music doesn't do
it justice - heavenly chorus is more appropriate. :)

FWIW, I'm seeing more ETECs this year.

Given a choice and the correct information, buyers will move to ETEC
every time.

It's only folks who buy packaged boats from small manufacturers and
get the giant kickbacks to provide Yamaha's "exclusively" who don't
move to ETEC.

Not that I'm mentioning anybody here of course. :)

JimH wrote:
On Jun 12, 7:50 pm, DK wrote:

Don't respond to the asshole. Your remark was typical of his over the
years - despite the fact that you were kidding. He's simply trolling
for attention now.

Yet another example of a rec.boats regular trying to improve the tone
and quality of this group.


That's pretty funny, since the only reason Dip**** Krueger comes here is
to be obnoxious.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:11:49 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke?
Oh yes. You've got to love that sound. :-)

We once got chewed out by a guy in a small sail boat for making too
much noise. They guy had a lot of nerve actually since he was a
former tug boat captain. I explained to him the the sound of a big
pair of DD 2 strokes was "music to my ears".

Ain't nothing like the sound of a two stroke diesel. Music doesn't do
it justice - heavenly chorus is more appropriate. :)

FWIW, I'm seeing more ETECs this year.

Given a choice and the correct information, buyers will move to ETEC
every time.


What a giggle...

What's eTec's market share? One half of one per cent and going nowhere?

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:51:24 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:11:49 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke?
Oh yes. You've got to love that sound. :-)

We once got chewed out by a guy in a small sail boat for making too
much noise. They guy had a lot of nerve actually since he was a
former tug boat captain. I explained to him the the sound of a big
pair of DD 2 strokes was "music to my ears".

Ain't nothing like the sound of a two stroke diesel. Music doesn't do
it justice - heavenly chorus is more appropriate. :)

FWIW, I'm seeing more ETECs this year.

Given a choice and the correct information, buyers will move to ETEC
every time.

What a giggle...

What's eTec's market share? One half of one per cent and going nowhere?

Actually I read somewhere that it's around 20% of the total market and
growing.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:51:24 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:11:49 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke?
Oh yes. You've got to love that sound. :-)

We once got chewed out by a guy in a small sail boat for making too
much noise. They guy had a lot of nerve actually since he was a
former tug boat captain. I explained to him the the sound of a big
pair of DD 2 strokes was "music to my ears".
Ain't nothing like the sound of a two stroke diesel. Music doesn't do
it justice - heavenly chorus is more appropriate. :)

FWIW, I'm seeing more ETECs this year.
Given a choice and the correct information, buyers will move to ETEC
every time.
What a giggle...

What's eTec's market share? One half of one per cent and going nowhere?

Actually I read somewhere that it's around 20% of the total market and
growing.


You must have read that in an eTec "news" release... :)

What a giggle...

What's eTec's market share? One half of one per cent and going nowhere?

Actually I read somewhere that it's around 20% of the total market and
growing.

I thought you were done sparring with this turd?

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:51:24 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:11:49 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke?
Oh yes. You've got to love that sound. :-)

We once got chewed out by a guy in a small sail boat for making too
much noise. They guy had a lot of nerve actually since he was a
former tug boat captain. I explained to him the the sound of a big
pair of DD 2 strokes was "music to my ears".

Ain't nothing like the sound of a two stroke diesel. Music doesn't do
it justice - heavenly chorus is more appropriate. :)

FWIW, I'm seeing more ETECs this year.

Given a choice and the correct information, buyers will move to ETEC
every time.

What a giggle...

What's eTec's market share? One half of one per cent and going nowhere?

Actually I read somewhere that it's around 20% of the total market and
growing.

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:51:24 -0400, HK wrote:

Given a choice and the correct information, buyers will move to ETEC
every time.


What a giggle...

What's eTec's market share? One half of one per cent and going nowhere?

There's just nothing like the thrill of watching a fish rise to the
bait...