On Jun 12, 8:45*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:38:17 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:40:45 -0400, HK wrote:

Modern higher horsepower outboards are *not* easy to service, period. It
doesn't matter whether you have a high tech two stroke or a four stroke.
You're going to need special knowledge, special training, and special
tools, including computer software and the mechanism to get readings off
the engine's I/O port if you are messing around "under the hood beyond
changing the spark plugs.

Well - I"m....shocked. *Both types of engines are very complex, but
not nececssarily difficult to work on. *I won't work on mine even
thought I have the software and manuals - don't want to mess up the
seven year full parts/labor warranty.

Um..speaking of which, has the warranty on your Yamaha run out yet? I
know it's only, like, what - one year old? *:)

Six year warranty.

No kidding. *Hmmm - learn something new everyday. *From the website,

Every Yamaha Four Stroke is protected by our 3-Year Limited Warranty
for pleasure use.

I have a seven year full warranty - anything goes wrong, it's
Bombardier's dime.

As for weight, I'm not sure how much it matters in the larger engines.
The 150 hp Evinrude eTec two stroke, for example, displaces about 2.7
liters and weighs 427 pounds. The 150 hp four stroke Yamaha has about
the same displacement and weighs 466 pounds (the Evinrude site has the
wrong weight on the Yamaha 150). Negligible weight difference.

No they don't. *That's exactly what the Yamaha weighs with oil/gear
oil/filters/plugs, prop and belts.

Source? My source is my Yamaha manual. Weight with prop, 467 pounds.

~~ snerk ~~

I was agreeing with you - ZZOOOOOMMMMMM.....

I tricked you - I tricked you - you didn't read the whole thing.

BBAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

In real world tests, the two engines would perform about the same under
most operating conditions. The rather outrageous claims I have seen for
eTec fuel burn could only be true if the Evinrude engineers have figured
out how to cheat the laws of physics.

Not outrageous at all. *Why do you think most commercial types are
going Evinrude - maybe because the fuel milage (on mine, 3.78 gph on
average) is FAR SUPERIOR to any four stoke and in particular Yamaha?

Cite, please, for "most commercial types are going Evinrude..." There
aren't many down here. Maybe Evinrude isn't trying to buy market share
down here...

You mean Yamaha buys market share? *Then again, I suppose that
Chesapeake Bay *- within say 5 miles of your launch (which you admit
to) on the Chesapeake - represents the entire universe of commercial
users.

Cite, please, for fuel usage figures, and not from that wild little
Evinrude promo video that's on TV.

Hmmm - let's see...

Mine - V6, 90 degree block, 200 cubic inches, 1.86:1 gear ratio, 509
pounds.

Yours - In-line four cylinder, 60 degree block, 163 cubic inches, 2:1
gear ratio, 467 pounds.

I've had people on my boat from this very group who have witnessed the
fuel milage, quiet, experienced the pure raw power - how about you?

Tooling around this morning at idle - amazing fuel flow reading .2GPH.

Point two - not bad huh?

Besides - who would want an engine with a tuning fork emblem on it?
:)
If I run my Yamaha at 600 rpm, I get that sort of gph, too. So what?

I've got 40 more cubic inches, lower gear ratio, higher compression,
more agressive block angle and I'm heavier by 50 pounds - actually 60
pounds because it's a 25" shaft engine and my boat at 20' weighs the
same as your boat at 21'. *Plus it's pushing a T-Top around
occasionally with a wind screen on it.

I WIN - YOU LOSE!!!

I'm #1 - Your #2!!!

Er...that didn't come out right. *Sorry - I apologize.

Tuning fork? Feh. Who wants a French outboard? * :)

Well, I'll have to give you that one. *:)- Hide quoted text -

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Please don't engage the stooges, short, that's what they want.

..
I am in the market once again- not for a spouse, but for a new pontoon
boat--. I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat-

I'm wondering the same but I've already bought the boat..its a 2004
SunTracker PB 21' w/ "Tracker by Merc" 60 HP O/B.

Here is the NEW '08 model:

http://www.suntrackerboats.com/boat/....cfm?boat=2916

I bought it via the internet and My Inlaws have picked it up in Florida,
they say its in great shape. I'll be meeting them with the boat in IOWA in
about a month and I'll tow it home to the West Coast from there so,

Q. Anyone here have a Sun Tracker ? What do you think of this manufacturer
?

The 2005 Tracker O/B is a two stroke (auto oil). What grade of gasoline do
these take..will 87 Octane Regular unleaded work ?
When you see a sign that says "Marine Gas" what does this signify now ? 25
years back, I had a Bayliner 2350 Nisqually with a Volvo (GM350) engine and
280 leg. It took the "regular gas" of the time (leaded) which was sold
cheaper (than "road" gas)at the commercial fishing dock because it didn't
have any Highway taxes built in. Is this generally still the case ?

R