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U.S. Foreclosures Double as House Prices Decline (Update1) By Bob Ivry July 25 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. foreclosure filings more than doubled in the second quarter from a year earlier as falling home prices left borrowers owing more on mortgages than their properties were worth. One in every 171 households was foreclosed on, received a default notice or was warned of a pending auction. That was an increase of 121 percent from a year earlier and 14 percent from the first quarter, RealtyTrac Inc. said today in a statement. Almost 740,000 properties were in some stage of foreclosure, the most since the Irvine, California-based data company began reporting in January 2005. ``Rising foreclosures are putting downward pressure on prices, increasing the possibility that homeowners will go upside- down on their mortgages,'' said Sheryl King, chief U.S. economist at Merrill Lynch & Co. in New York. ``That will cause more losses in mortgage portfolios and less willingness from investors to securitize mortgages and therefore fewer mortgages.'' About 25 million U.S. homeowners risk owing more than the value of the their homes, according to Bill Gross, manager of the world's biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co. That would make it impossible for them to negotiate better loan terms or sell their property without contributing cash to the transaction. Falling home values, led by states such as Nevada and California that have the biggest default rate, have prompted RealtyTrac to almost double the projected number of foreclosures this year to about 2.5 million, said Rick Sharga, executive vice president for marketing. Federal Legislation ``The big variable here is what effect the housing bill now being considered by the Senate is going to have on foreclosure activity in general,'' Sharga said in an interview. ``Based on market conditions themselves, we are nowhere near the end of this trip. Best-case scenario, we're looking at another year of this.'' The housing bill aims to help 400,000 Americans with subprime home loans refinance into 30-year, fixed-rate mortgages backed by the government. The measure passed the House of Representatives and President George W. Bush has said he would sign it. Subprime mortgages were available to borrowers with bad or incomplete credit histories and default at five times the rate of prime mortgages, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association in Washington. Bank seizures in the first half of the year increased by 154 percent to 370,179 from the same period in 2007, RealtyTrac said. Last year's second-quarter data on bank repossessions was not available, according to RealtyTrac. Fewer Mortgages Forty-eight of 50 states and 95 of the 100 largest U.S. metropolitan areas had year-over-year increases in foreclosure filings in the second quarter, RealtyTrac said. Nevada was the state with the highest rate. One in every 43 households received a foreclosure notice in the quarter, four times the national average and an increase of 147 percent from a year earlier, according to RealtyTrac. Foreclosure filings tripled in California, where one in every 65 households was affected, the second-highest rate among states. Arizona had the third-highest rate, with one every 70 households, a more than threefold increase from the second quarter of 2007, RealtyTrac said. Florida, Colorado, Ohio, Michigan, Georgia, Massachusetts and Illinois rounded out RealtyTrac's top 10. Lenders will cut in half the number of mortgages to purchase homes in 2008 compared with two years ago, said Guy Cecala, publisher of the Bethesda, Maryland-based trade publication Inside Mortgage Finance. Real Estate-Owned Bank repossessions, or REOs -- meaning ``real estate- owned'' -- accounted for 30 percent of total foreclosure activity in the second quarter, up from 24 percent of the total in the first quarter, RealtyTrac said. Foreclosures push all home values down by an estimated 6 percent, and will contribute to national prices declining another 15 percent by the end of 2009, Ethan Harris and Michelle Meyer, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. economists in New York, said in a report yesterday. ``I believe a big part of the problem we're facing in the market right now is uncertainty,'' Sharga said. ``Buyers aren't sure if this is the right time to get in, lenders aren't sure where to lend, investors aren't sure where to put their money in an environment of depreciating assets. The psychology of the market is as responsible as the financial part of the market.'' Seven of the 11 metropolitan areas with the highest rates of foreclosure filings in the second quarter were in California, according to RealtyTrac. The Stockton area, in California's Central Valley, had the highest incidence, with one in 25 households receiving filings. Inland Empire In Riverside-San Bernardino, the so-called Inland Empire, where the California Association of Realtors said home prices plummeted 35 percent in May compared with a year earlier, one in 32 households entered foreclosure, according to RealtyTrac. Bakersfield, Sacramento, Oakland, Fresno and San Diego were the other California metro areas in the top 11. The Las Vegas area, where home values fell 27 percent in May compared with a year earlier, according to the S&P/Case- Shiller Home Price Index, had the third-highest foreclosure rate, with one in every 35 households, RealtyTrac said. Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Phoenix and Miami were the other metropolitan areas in RealtyTrac's top 11. New York filings increased 62 percent from a year earlier to 16,025, with one in every 493 households in a stage of foreclosure, the 30th-highest rate. New Jersey filings rose 140 percent. One in every 201 households in the state received notice, the 12th-highest rate in the U.S. |
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:40:36 -0400, HK wrote:
U.S. Foreclosures Double as House Prices Decline (Update1) By Bob Ivry July 25 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. foreclosure filings more than doubled in the second quarter from a year earlier as falling home prices left borrowers owing more on mortgages than their properties were worth. New Jersey filings rose 140 percent. One in every 201 households in the state received notice, the 12th-highest rate in the U.S. George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine - in spite of 9/11. A little over one year ago: 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 yr. high; 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon; 3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%; 4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 + 5) Americans were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacationing overseas, living large!... But Americans wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress & yep--we got 'CHANGE' all right!..... 1) Consumer confidence has plummeted; 2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon and climbing; 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase); 4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS & prices are still dropping; 5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure; and 6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~11,300--$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS! YEP , IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE!...AND WE SURE GOT IT!!!....NOW 'B.O.', the DEM.'S CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT--AND THE POLLS SAY HE'S GONNA BE 'THE MAN'--CLAIMS HE'S GONNA REALLY GIVE US CHANGE!!....JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YA THINK YOU CAN STAND???..... |
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On Jul 25, 9:56*am, (Tom) wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:40:36 -0400, HK wrote: U.S. Foreclosures Double as House Prices Decline (Update1) By Bob Ivry July 25 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. foreclosure filings more than doubled in the second quarter from a year earlier as falling home prices left borrowers owing more on mortgages than their properties were worth. New Jersey filings rose 140 percent. One in every 201 households in the state received notice, the 12th-highest rate in the U.S. George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. *The first six the economy was fine - in spite of 9/11. A little over one year ago: * * * 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 yr. high; * * * 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon; * * * 3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%; * * * * * *4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 + * * * * * *5) Americans were buying new cars, taking * * * * * cruises, vacationing overseas, living large!... But Americans wanted 'CHANGE'! * So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress & yep--we got 'CHANGE' all right!..... * * * * * * 1) Consumer confidence has plummeted; * * * * * * 2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon * * * * * * * * * and climbing; * * * * * * 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase); * * * * * *4) Americans have seen their home equity drop * * * * * * * *by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS & prices are still dropping; * * * * * * 5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure; and * * * * * * 6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~11,300--$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS! YEP , IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE!...AND WE SURE GOT IT!!!....NOW 'B.O.', the DEM.'S CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT--AND THE *POLLS SAY HE'S GONNA BE 'THE MAN'--CLAIMS HE'S GONNA REALLY GIVE US CHANGE!!....JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YA THINK YOU CAN STAND???..... If Obama gets in, we're screwed....... |
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:11:16 -0400, DK wrote: HK wrote: Nothing related to the topic of this group. So what else is new??? Exactly. |
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On Jul 25, 8:40*am, HK wrote:
U.S. Foreclosures Double as House Prices Decline (Update1) By Bob Ivry July 25 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. foreclosure filings more than doubled in the second quarter from a year earlier as falling home prices left borrowers owing more on mortgages than their properties were worth. One in every 171 households was foreclosed on, received a default notice or was warned of a pending auction. That was an increase of 121 percent from a year earlier and 14 percent from the first quarter, RealtyTrac Inc. said today in a statement. Almost 740,000 properties were in some stage of foreclosure, the most since the Irvine, California-based data company began reporting in January 2005. ``Rising foreclosures are putting downward pressure on prices, increasing the possibility that homeowners will go upside- down on their mortgages,'' said Sheryl King, chief U.S. economist at Merrill Lynch & Co. in New York. ``That will cause more losses in mortgage portfolios and less willingness from investors to securitize mortgages and therefore fewer mortgages.'' About 25 million U.S. homeowners risk owing more than the value of the their homes, according to Bill Gross, manager of the world's biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co. That would make it impossible for them to negotiate better loan terms or sell their property without contributing cash to the transaction. Falling home values, led by states such as Nevada and California that have the biggest default rate, have prompted RealtyTrac to almost double the projected number of foreclosures this year to about 2.5 million, said Rick Sharga, executive vice president for marketing. Federal Legislation ``The big variable here is what effect the housing bill now being considered by the Senate is going to have on foreclosure activity in general,'' Sharga said in an interview. ``Based on market conditions themselves, we are nowhere near the end of this trip. Best-case scenario, we're looking at another year of this.'' The housing bill aims to help 400,000 Americans with subprime home loans refinance into 30-year, fixed-rate mortgages backed by the government. The measure passed the House of Representatives and President George W. Bush has said he would sign it. Subprime mortgages were available to borrowers with bad or incomplete credit histories and default at five times the rate of prime mortgages, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association in Washington. Bank seizures in the first half of the year increased by 154 percent to 370,179 from the same period in 2007, RealtyTrac said. Last year's second-quarter data on bank repossessions was not available, according to RealtyTrac. Fewer Mortgages Forty-eight of 50 states and 95 of the 100 largest U.S. metropolitan areas had year-over-year increases in foreclosure filings in the second quarter, RealtyTrac said. Nevada was the state with the highest rate. One in every 43 households received a foreclosure notice in the quarter, four times the national average and an increase of 147 percent from a year earlier, according to RealtyTrac. Foreclosure filings tripled in California, where one in every 65 households was affected, the second-highest rate among states. Arizona had the third-highest rate, with one every 70 households, a more than threefold increase from the second quarter of 2007, RealtyTrac said. Florida, Colorado, Ohio, Michigan, Georgia, Massachusetts and Illinois rounded out RealtyTrac's top 10. Lenders will cut in half the number of mortgages to purchase homes in 2008 compared with two years ago, said Guy Cecala, publisher of the Bethesda, Maryland-based trade publication Inside Mortgage Finance. Real Estate-Owned Bank repossessions, or REOs -- meaning ``real estate- owned'' -- accounted for 30 percent of total foreclosure activity in the second quarter, up from 24 percent of the total in the first quarter, RealtyTrac said. Foreclosures push all home values down by an estimated 6 percent, and will contribute to national prices declining another 15 percent by the end of 2009, Ethan Harris and Michelle Meyer, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. economists in New York, said in a report yesterday. ``I believe a big part of the problem we're facing in the market right now is uncertainty,'' Sharga said. ``Buyers aren't sure if this is the right time to get in, lenders aren't sure where to lend, investors aren't sure where to put their money in an environment of depreciating assets. The psychology of the market is as responsible as the financial part of the market.'' Seven of the 11 metropolitan areas with the highest rates of foreclosure filings in the second quarter were in California, according to RealtyTrac. The Stockton area, in California's Central Valley, had the highest incidence, with one in 25 households receiving filings. Inland Empire In Riverside-San Bernardino, the so-called Inland Empire, where the California Association of Realtors said home prices plummeted 35 percent in May compared with a year earlier, one in 32 households entered foreclosure, according to RealtyTrac. Bakersfield, Sacramento, Oakland, Fresno and San Diego were the other California metro areas in the top 11. The Las Vegas area, where home values fell 27 percent in May compared with a year earlier, according to the S&P/Case- Shiller Home Price Index, had the third-highest foreclosure rate, with one in every 35 households, RealtyTrac said. Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Phoenix and Miami were the other metropolitan areas in RealtyTrac's top 11. New York filings increased 62 percent from a year earlier to 16,025, with one in every 493 households in a stage of foreclosure, the 30th-highest rate. New Jersey filings rose 140 percent. One in every 201 households in the state received notice, the 12th-highest rate in the U.S. http://news.aol.com/political-machin...ll-july-21-28/ |
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"Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...ll-july-21-28/ Wow. I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch |
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Tim wrote:
On Jul 25, 8:40 am, HK wrote: U.S. Foreclosures Double as House Prices Decline (Update1) By Bob Ivry July 25 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. foreclosure filings more than doubled in the second quarter from a year earlier as falling home prices left borrowers owing more on mortgages than their properties were worth. One in every 171 households was foreclosed on, received a default notice or was warned of a pending auction. That was an increase of 121 percent from a year earlier and 14 percent from the first quarter, RealtyTrac Inc. said today in a statement. Almost 740,000 properties were in some stage of foreclosure, the most since the Irvine, California-based data company began reporting in January 2005. ``Rising foreclosures are putting downward pressure on prices, increasing the possibility that homeowners will go upside- down on their mortgages,'' said Sheryl King, chief U.S. economist at Merrill Lynch & Co. in New York. ``That will cause more losses in mortgage portfolios and less willingness from investors to securitize mortgages and therefore fewer mortgages.'' About 25 million U.S. homeowners risk owing more than the value of the their homes, according to Bill Gross, manager of the world's biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co. That would make it impossible for them to negotiate better loan terms or sell their property without contributing cash to the transaction. Falling home values, led by states such as Nevada and California that have the biggest default rate, have prompted RealtyTrac to almost double the projected number of foreclosures this year to about 2.5 million, said Rick Sharga, executive vice president for marketing. Federal Legislation ``The big variable here is what effect the housing bill now being considered by the Senate is going to have on foreclosure activity in general,'' Sharga said in an interview. ``Based on market conditions themselves, we are nowhere near the end of this trip. Best-case scenario, we're looking at another year of this.'' The housing bill aims to help 400,000 Americans with subprime home loans refinance into 30-year, fixed-rate mortgages backed by the government. The measure passed the House of Representatives and President George W. Bush has said he would sign it. Subprime mortgages were available to borrowers with bad or incomplete credit histories and default at five times the rate of prime mortgages, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association in Washington. Bank seizures in the first half of the year increased by 154 percent to 370,179 from the same period in 2007, RealtyTrac said. Last year's second-quarter data on bank repossessions was not available, according to RealtyTrac. Fewer Mortgages Forty-eight of 50 states and 95 of the 100 largest U.S. metropolitan areas had year-over-year increases in foreclosure filings in the second quarter, RealtyTrac said. Nevada was the state with the highest rate. One in every 43 households received a foreclosure notice in the quarter, four times the national average and an increase of 147 percent from a year earlier, according to RealtyTrac. Foreclosure filings tripled in California, where one in every 65 households was affected, the second-highest rate among states. Arizona had the third-highest rate, with one every 70 households, a more than threefold increase from the second quarter of 2007, RealtyTrac said. Florida, Colorado, Ohio, Michigan, Georgia, Massachusetts and Illinois rounded out RealtyTrac's top 10. Lenders will cut in half the number of mortgages to purchase homes in 2008 compared with two years ago, said Guy Cecala, publisher of the Bethesda, Maryland-based trade publication Inside Mortgage Finance. Real Estate-Owned Bank repossessions, or REOs -- meaning ``real estate- owned'' -- accounted for 30 percent of total foreclosure activity in the second quarter, up from 24 percent of the total in the first quarter, RealtyTrac said. Foreclosures push all home values down by an estimated 6 percent, and will contribute to national prices declining another 15 percent by the end of 2009, Ethan Harris and Michelle Meyer, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. economists in New York, said in a report yesterday. ``I believe a big part of the problem we're facing in the market right now is uncertainty,'' Sharga said. ``Buyers aren't sure if this is the right time to get in, lenders aren't sure where to lend, investors aren't sure where to put their money in an environment of depreciating assets. The psychology of the market is as responsible as the financial part of the market.'' Seven of the 11 metropolitan areas with the highest rates of foreclosure filings in the second quarter were in California, according to RealtyTrac. The Stockton area, in California's Central Valley, had the highest incidence, with one in 25 households receiving filings. Inland Empire In Riverside-San Bernardino, the so-called Inland Empire, where the California Association of Realtors said home prices plummeted 35 percent in May compared with a year earlier, one in 32 households entered foreclosure, according to RealtyTrac. Bakersfield, Sacramento, Oakland, Fresno and San Diego were the other California metro areas in the top 11. The Las Vegas area, where home values fell 27 percent in May compared with a year earlier, according to the S&P/Case- Shiller Home Price Index, had the third-highest foreclosure rate, with one in every 35 households, RealtyTrac said. Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Phoenix and Miami were the other metropolitan areas in RealtyTrac's top 11. New York filings increased 62 percent from a year earlier to 16,025, with one in every 493 households in a stage of foreclosure, the 30th-highest rate. New Jersey filings rose 140 percent. One in every 201 households in the state received notice, the 12th-highest rate in the U.S. http://news.aol.com/political-machin...ll-july-21-28/ Yeah, right...an AOL "click here" poll. :) |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...ll-july-21-28/ Wow. I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch Not at all. It's one of those polls where one interest group or another "tells" its acolytes to "log onto AOL and click for" whatever side of an issue it supports. You see this in political message groups and on discussion groups, especially gun boards. |
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 05:07:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...ll-july-21-28/ Wow. I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch How many of the uneducated have torn themselves away from the Simpsons to participate in this vote? |
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On Jul 27, 5:16*am, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...raw-poll-july-... Wow. *I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch Not at all. It's one of those polls where one interest group or another "tells" its acolytes to "log onto AOL and click for" whatever side of an issue it supports. You see this in political message groups and on discussion groups, especially gun boards. Possibly so harry, that is unless it's a straw poll grilling on bush, chaney, then I'd say it's fairly accurate, wouldn't you? |
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On Jul 27, 5:30*am, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 05:07:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...raw-poll-july-... Wow. *I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch How many of the uneducated have torn themselves away from the Simpsons to participate in this vote? Anyhow, you vote once by screen name. But you CAN have up to 6 different screen names. I only have one on AOL,, and I listed for Illinois. Those were the results that popped up. Straw polls arn't accurate, but in ways are a fairly good weather vane. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...ll-july-21-28/ Wow. I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch I is accurate for who has voted in that straw poll, but it is not a statistical sample, so it does not reflect who will vote in NOv. |
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Tim wrote:
On Jul 27, 5:16 am, hk wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...raw-poll-july-... Wow. I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch Not at all. It's one of those polls where one interest group or another "tells" its acolytes to "log onto AOL and click for" whatever side of an issue it supports. You see this in political message groups and on discussion groups, especially gun boards. Possibly so harry, that is unless it's a straw poll grilling on bush, chaney, then I'd say it's fairly accurate, wouldn't you? Unlikely. The internet "straw polls" are just silliness. |
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Tim wrote:
On Jul 27, 5:30 am, John H. wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 05:07:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...raw-poll-july-... Wow. I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch How many of the uneducated have torn themselves away from the Simpsons to participate in this vote? Anyhow, you vote once by screen name. But you CAN have up to 6 different screen names. I only have one on AOL,, and I listed for Illinois. Those were the results that popped up. Straw polls arn't accurate, but in ways are a fairly good weather vane. Internet straw polls like the one you cited? Of what, pray tell? |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Tim wrote: On Jul 27, 5:16 am, hk wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...raw-poll-july-... Wow. I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch Not at all. It's one of those polls where one interest group or another "tells" its acolytes to "log onto AOL and click for" whatever side of an issue it supports. You see this in political message groups and on discussion groups, especially gun boards. Possibly so harry, that is unless it's a straw poll grilling on bush, chaney, then I'd say it's fairly accurate, wouldn't you? Unlikely. The internet "straw polls" are just silliness. I don't have or use AOL, nor am I an AOL "member". It still let me vote and see the results. I think it required a email address and entering one of those security codes into a field from one that was displayed. Also had to enter what state I was in. Anyway, I don't think it's accurate at all. Of over 200 thousand votes this week (July 21-28) the results were overwhelmingly in favor of McCain. I think it was 34% Obama versus 66% for McCain. If that reflects the votes of MA, then I think it is very suspect. Eisboch |
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On Jul 27, 7:44*am, Reginald Smithers III wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...raw-poll-july-... Wow. *I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch I is accurate for who has voted in that straw poll, but it is not a statistical sample, so it does not reflect who will vote in NOv. Very true. |
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On Jul 27, 9:02*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Tim wrote: On Jul 27, 5:16 am, hk wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...raw-poll-july-.... Wow. *I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch Not at all. It's one of those polls where one interest group or another "tells" its acolytes to "log onto AOL and click for" whatever side of an issue it supports. You see this in political message groups and on discussion groups, especially gun boards. Possibly so harry, that is unless it's a straw poll grilling on bush, chaney, then I'd say it's fairly accurate, wouldn't you? Unlikely. The internet "straw polls" are just silliness. I don't have or use AOL, nor am I an AOL "member". * It still let me vote and see the results. I think it required a email address and entering one of those security codes into a field from one that was displayed. Also had to enter what state I was in. Anyway, *I don't think it's accurate at all. *Of over 200 thousand votes this week (July 21-28) the results were overwhelmingly in favor of McCain.. I think it was 34% Obama versus 66% for McCain. * If that reflects the votes of MA, then I think it is very suspect. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - you're right Richard. It popped up on AOL, but is actually an independant blog. Yet, an AOL password will key in as long as you fill in the security cold. I'm not saying this is accurate, but as straw polls go it's about as accurate as any. and true it's not an accurate reflection on who is going to vote for whome, nore does it determine on whome will be the next POTUS. But it's *interesting* to say the least.... |
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Tim wrote:
On Jul 27, 9:02 am, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Tim wrote: On Jul 27, 5:16 am, hk wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...raw-poll-july-... Wow. I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch Not at all. It's one of those polls where one interest group or another "tells" its acolytes to "log onto AOL and click for" whatever side of an issue it supports. You see this in political message groups and on discussion groups, especially gun boards. Possibly so harry, that is unless it's a straw poll grilling on bush, chaney, then I'd say it's fairly accurate, wouldn't you? Unlikely. The internet "straw polls" are just silliness. I don't have or use AOL, nor am I an AOL "member". It still let me vote and see the results. I think it required a email address and entering one of those security codes into a field from one that was displayed. Also had to enter what state I was in. Anyway, I don't think it's accurate at all. Of over 200 thousand votes this week (July 21-28) the results were overwhelmingly in favor of McCain. I think it was 34% Obama versus 66% for McCain. If that reflects the votes of MA, then I think it is very suspect. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - you're right Richard. It popped up on AOL, but is actually an independant blog. Yet, an AOL password will key in as long as you fill in the security cold. I'm not saying this is accurate, but as straw polls go it's about as accurate as any. and true it's not an accurate reflection on who is going to vote for whome, nore does it determine on whome will be the next POTUS. But it's *interesting* to say the least.... It's not really interesting. On one of the gun boards I help moderate, whenever there is a media outlet that has a question about gun control, everyone on the board urges every one else to pile up so as to change the outcome of the poll. That's what has happened at the AOL poll - just piling on. |
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On Jul 27, 2:16*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jul 27, 9:02 am, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Tim wrote: On Jul 27, 5:16 am, hk wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Tim" wrote in message news:9443ff24-f155-403a-94a4- http://news.aol.com/political-machin...raw-poll-july-... Wow. *I wonder how accurate that really is. Eisboch Not at all. It's one of those polls where one interest group or another "tells" its acolytes to "log onto AOL and click for" whatever side of an issue it supports. You see this in political message groups and on discussion groups, especially gun boards. Possibly so harry, that is unless it's a straw poll grilling on bush, chaney, then I'd say it's fairly accurate, wouldn't you? Unlikely. The internet "straw polls" are just silliness. I don't have or use AOL, nor am I an AOL "member". * It still let me vote and see the results. I think it required a email address and entering one of those security codes into a field from one that was displayed. Also had to enter what state I was in. Anyway, *I don't think it's accurate at all. *Of over 200 thousand votes this week (July 21-28) the results were overwhelmingly in favor of McCain. I think it was 34% Obama versus 66% for McCain. * If that reflects the votes of MA, then I think it is very suspect. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - you're right Richard. It popped up on AOL, but is actually an independant blog. Yet, an AOL password will key in as long as you fill in the security cold. I'm not saying this is accurate, but as straw polls go it's about as accurate as any. and true it's not an accurate reflection on who is going to vote for whome, nore does it determine on whome will be the next POTUS. But it's *interesting* to say the least.... It's not really interesting. On one of the gun boards I help moderate, whenever there is a media outlet that has a question about gun control, everyone on the board urges every one else to pile up so as to change the outcome of the poll. *That's what has happened at the AOL poll - just piling on.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not really sure abotuthat,Harry. yon that straw poll, you do'tvet t see the outcome w/o voting first. and no body contacted me to vote in it, but sing I ahve an AO-HELLmembership, it was on the board anyhow, so I voted, saw the results and posted them. I wasnt' urging anyone to vote on it, but I'm sure you knew that. |
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It's not really interesting. On one of the gun boards I help moderate, whenever there is a media outlet that has a question about gun control, everyone on the board urges every one else to pile up so as to change the outcome of the poll. That's what has happened at the AOL poll - just piling on. I sincerely doubt there is any concerted effort by anyone to effect the AOL poll towards any candidate. The results are biased because the people who are logging onto that page and who are inclined to spend the time to "register to vote on the page" does not accurately reflect the demographics of those who will vote in the Nov. election. Just as standing on Wall Street and taking a "straw vote", would not be an accurate reflection of the Nov. election. November's election will see more young voters and "new" voters than we have historically seen. Wither you like or hate Obama, you have to admit, he has invigorated people to believe their vote and their campaign contribution can make a difference. My son and oldest daughter, both with very limited funds, who would never have considered contributing to anyone's political campaign, have contributed to Obama's campaign. If you go to any gathering, ie baseball game, 4th of July fireworks, etc, you will see a large army of young people getting people to register to vote. The fact that Harry believes Obama will win in Nov. is ONLY reason Obama might lose. In all the years I been reading rec.boats, I have NEVER seen one of Harry's political forecast to come true. Harry likes to pretend he has inside political knowledge, and that he has been involved with national political campaigns but, he is as naive as anyone I have ever meet. |
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wrote: HK wrote: It's not really interesting. On one of the gun boards I help moderate, whenever there is a media outlet that has a question about gun control, everyone on the board urges every one else to pile up so as to change the outcome of the poll. That's what has happened at the AOL poll - just piling on. I sincerely doubt there is any concerted effort by anyone to effect the AOL poll towards any candidate. The results are biased because the people who are logging onto that page and who are inclined to spend the time to "register to vote on the page" does not accurately reflect the demographics of those who will vote in the Nov. election. Just as standing on Wall Street and taking a "straw vote", would not be an accurate reflection of the Nov. election. November's election will see more young voters and "new" voters than we have historically seen. Wither you like or hate Obama, you have to admit, he has invigorated people to believe their vote and their campaign contribution can make a difference. My son and oldest daughter, both with very limited funds, who would never have considered contributing to anyone's political campaign, have contributed to Obama's campaign. If you go to any gathering, ie baseball game, 4th of July fireworks, etc, you will see a large army of young people getting people to register to vote. The fact that Harry believes Obama will win in Nov. is ONLY reason Obama might lose. In all the years I been reading rec.boats, I have NEVER seen one of Harry's political forecast to come true. Harry likes to pretend he has inside political knowledge, and that he has been involved with national political campaigns but, he is as naive as anyone I have ever meet. Well, maybe we should tape his fingers shut and keep him in a corner someplace. I'm glad you mentioned demographics. Most of Obama's base is *not* looking at a news source on the internet. Cartoons, the Simpsons, and Beavis are occupying most of their time. They're waiting for that big 'Income Redistribution in the Sky' to take place. |
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as if it matters,
One thing about that straw poll is you can also seperate out the states and see what percentage is voting for whom. |
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Tim wrote:
as if it matters, One thing about that straw poll is you can also seperate out the states and see what percentage is voting for whom. It doesn't matter what that straw poll indicates...it is totally unscientific. Try he http://www.electionprojection.com/index.shtml Or he http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Both sites are right-wing-oriented, but intellectually honest in how they track and report legitimate polls. |
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HK wrote:
Tim wrote: as if it matters, One thing about that straw poll is you can also seperate out the states and see what percentage is voting for whom. It doesn't matter what that straw poll indicates...it is totally unscientific. Try he http://www.electionprojection.com/index.shtml Or he http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Both sites are right-wing-oriented, but intellectually honest in how they track and report legitimate polls. Forgot this one: http://www.pollster.com/ |
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On Jul 28, 7:46*am, HK wrote:
HK wrote: Tim wrote: as if it matters, One thing about that straw poll is you can also seperate out the states and see what percentage is voting for whom. It doesn't matter what that straw poll indicates...it is totally unscientific. Try he http://www.electionprojection.com/index.shtml Or he http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Both sites are right-wing-oriented, but intellectually honest in how they track and report legitimate polls. Forgot this one: http://www.pollster.com/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm not sure what or whose statistics are being used but a guy told me today that Obama is *ahead* by 9-1/2 points. |
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Tim wrote:
On Jul 28, 7:46 am, HK wrote: HK wrote: Tim wrote: as if it matters, One thing about that straw poll is you can also seperate out the states and see what percentage is voting for whom. It doesn't matter what that straw poll indicates...it is totally unscientific. Try he http://www.electionprojection.com/index.shtml Or he http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Both sites are right-wing-oriented, but intellectually honest in how they track and report legitimate polls. Forgot this one: http://www.pollster.com/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm not sure what or whose statistics are being used but a guy told me today that Obama is *ahead* by 9-1/2 points. I think one poll has him there, but it is more reasonable to average the leading polls. I suspect the lead on that basis is about five points. The state polls are more important. We don't have a national election, we have 50 state elections. Obama is *way* ahead on that basis. |
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On Jul 28, 6:25*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jul 28, 7:46*am, HK wrote: HK wrote: Tim wrote: as if it matters, One thing about that straw poll is you can also seperate out the states and see what percentage is voting for whom. It doesn't matter what that straw poll indicates...it is totally unscientific. Try he http://www.electionprojection.com/index.shtml Or he http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Both sites are right-wing-oriented, but intellectually honest in how they track and report legitimate polls. Forgot this one: http://www.pollster.com/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm not sure what or whose statistics are being used but a guy told me today that Obama is *ahead* by 9-1/2 points.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Heres the latest from Gallup http://www.gallup.com/tag/Gallup%2bDaily.aspx |
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Tim wrote:
On Jul 28, 6:25 pm, Tim wrote: On Jul 28, 7:46 am, HK wrote: HK wrote: Tim wrote: as if it matters, One thing about that straw poll is you can also seperate out the states and see what percentage is voting for whom. It doesn't matter what that straw poll indicates...it is totally unscientific. Try he http://www.electionprojection.com/index.shtml Or he http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Both sites are right-wing-oriented, but intellectually honest in how they track and report legitimate polls. Forgot this one: http://www.pollster.com/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm not sure what or whose statistics are being used but a guy told me today that Obama is *ahead* by 9-1/2 points.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Heres the latest from Gallup http://www.gallup.com/tag/Gallup%2bDaily.aspx Really, Tim, if you are interested, you need to look at legit sites that keep track of the various leading polls and average them over a consistent time period. That way, you get a more accurate "snapshot" of public opinion at that moment. Also, the daily polls tend to be volatile. |
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On Jul 28, 7:36*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jul 28, 6:25*pm, Tim wrote: On Jul 28, 7:46*am, HK wrote: HK wrote: Tim wrote: as if it matters, One thing about that straw poll is you can also seperate out the states and see what percentage is voting for whom. It doesn't matter what that straw poll indicates...it is totally unscientific. Try he http://www.electionprojection.com/index.shtml Or he http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Both sites are right-wing-oriented, but intellectually honest in how they track and report legitimate polls. Forgot this one: http://www.pollster.com/-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm not sure what or whose statistics are being used but a guy told me today that Obama is *ahead* by 9-1/2 points.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Heres the latest from Gallup http://www.gallup.com/tag/Gallup%2bDaily.aspx The election is over 3 months away. The only poll that matters is the one taken on election day. |
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On Jul 28, 6:41*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jul 28, 6:25 pm, Tim wrote: On Jul 28, 7:46 am, HK wrote: HK wrote: Tim wrote: as if it matters, One thing about that straw poll is you can also seperate out the states and see what percentage is voting for whom. It doesn't matter what that straw poll indicates...it is totally unscientific. Try he http://www.electionprojection.com/index.shtml Or he http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Both sites are right-wing-oriented, but intellectually honest in how they track and report legitimate polls. Forgot this one: http://www.pollster.com/-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm not sure what or whose statistics are being used but a guy told me today that Obama is *ahead* by 9-1/2 points.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Heres the latest from Gallup http://www.gallup.com/tag/Gallup%2bDaily.aspx Really, Tim, if you are interested, you need to look at legit sites that keep track of the various leading polls and average them over a consistent time period. That way, you get a more accurate "snapshot" of public opinion at that moment. Also, the daily polls tend to be volatile.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - i thought Gallup was a 'legit' cite? I know that polls can change by the hour, and don't take me wrong harry. concerning candidates, I don't bless, nor curse either. i vote for whom I vote for and if my candidate wins thats ok, if not.. that's ok too. I feel our country has survived a lot in over 230 years, and still plans on being around through thick or thin for many more . |
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On Jul 28, 6:42*pm, JimH wrote:
On Jul 28, 7:36*pm, Tim wrote: On Jul 28, 6:25*pm, Tim wrote: On Jul 28, 7:46*am, HK wrote: HK wrote: Tim wrote: as if it matters, One thing about that straw poll is you can also seperate out the states and see what percentage is voting for whom. It doesn't matter what that straw poll indicates...it is totally unscientific. Try he http://www.electionprojection.com/index.shtml Or he http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Both sites are right-wing-oriented, but intellectually honest in how they track and report legitimate polls. Forgot this one: http://www.pollster.com/-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - I'm not sure what or whose statistics are being used but a guy told me today that Obama is *ahead* by 9-1/2 points.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Heres the latest from Gallup http://www.gallup.com/tag/Gallup%2bDaily.aspx The election is over 3 months away. * The only poll that matters is the one taken on election day.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - agreed! |
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Tim wrote:
On Jul 28, 6:41 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jul 28, 6:25 pm, Tim wrote: On Jul 28, 7:46 am, HK wrote: HK wrote: Tim wrote: as if it matters, One thing about that straw poll is you can also seperate out the states and see what percentage is voting for whom. It doesn't matter what that straw poll indicates...it is totally unscientific. Try he http://www.electionprojection.com/index.shtml Or he http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Both sites are right-wing-oriented, but intellectually honest in how they track and report legitimate polls. Forgot this one: http://www.pollster.com/-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm not sure what or whose statistics are being used but a guy told me today that Obama is *ahead* by 9-1/2 points.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Heres the latest from Gallup http://www.gallup.com/tag/Gallup%2bDaily.aspx Really, Tim, if you are interested, you need to look at legit sites that keep track of the various leading polls and average them over a consistent time period. That way, you get a more accurate "snapshot" of public opinion at that moment. Also, the daily polls tend to be volatile.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - i thought Gallup was a 'legit' cite? I know that polls can change by the hour, and don't take me wrong harry. concerning candidates, I don't bless, nor curse either. i vote for whom I vote for and if my candidate wins thats ok, if not.. that's ok too. I feel our country has survived a lot in over 230 years, and still plans on being around through thick or thin for many more . Gallup is a legit pollster. I am suggesting if you are interested in tracking trends, you look at sites that average together the leading legit polls. That way, you get rid of some of the vagaries of individual polls. |
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On Jul 28, 7:12*pm, hk wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jul 28, 6:41 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Jul 28, 6:25 pm, Tim wrote: On Jul 28, 7:46 am, HK wrote: HK wrote: Tim wrote: as if it matters, One thing about that straw poll is you can also seperate out the states and see what percentage is voting for whom. It doesn't matter what that straw poll indicates...it is totally unscientific. Try he http://www.electionprojection.com/index.shtml Or he http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Both sites are right-wing-oriented, but intellectually honest in how they track and report legitimate polls. Forgot this one: http://www.pollster.com/-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - I'm not sure what or whose statistics are being used but a guy told me today that Obama is *ahead* by 9-1/2 points.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Heres the latest from Gallup http://www.gallup.com/tag/Gallup%2bDaily.aspx Really, Tim, if you are interested, you need to look at legit sites that keep track of the various leading polls and average them over a consistent time period. That way, you get a more accurate "snapshot" of public opinion at that moment. Also, the daily polls tend to be volatile.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - i thought Gallup was a 'legit' cite? I know that polls can change by the hour, and don't take me wrong harry. concerning candidates, I don't bless, nor curse either. i vote for whom I vote for and if my candidate wins thats ok, if not.. that's ok too. I feel our country has survived a lot in over 230 years, and still plans on being around through thick or thin for many more . Gallup is a legit pollster. I am suggesting if you are interested in tracking trends, you look at sites that average together the leading legit polls. That way, you get rid of some of the vagaries of individual polls.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thanks, Harry. That makes sense to me. Check on what all are saying. Like I've said before. this election will be "interesting" |
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