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I like it. But others may have opinions based on more than this
video.

http://www.boattest.com/VLibrary/vPlay.aspx?ID=1216

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote in
:

http://www.boattest.com/VLibrary/vPlay.aspx?ID=1216

Damned spammer harvesting information. Why can't he just let you look at
it without all the crap?

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:00:16 +0000, Larry wrote:

Vic Smith wrote in
:

http://www.boattest.com/VLibrary/vPlay.aspx?ID=1216

Damned spammer harvesting information. Why can't he just let you look at
it without all the crap?

He's not spamming. I went there voluntarily to get boat info, and
I'm not trying to sell Everglades boats here.
I thought his take on swamped boats needing an open transom to let
the water out was interesting, given conversations here about that.
He appears to be in agreement with Harry on that score.
The Everglades solution looks real interesting.
For those who don't want to bother watching the video,
the boat has an open transom, and what appears to be a solid splash
shield incorporates large doors/flaps that open aft only, allowing a
large volume of water to quickly exit.
Scuppers just won't do for a swamped boat, he says.
And I don't care to re-ignite all the open transom bs, but to point
to what I think is an innovative solution to swamping.
Those with more boating experience might think the solution
unnecessary, bad, or whatever. I don't know, and that's why
I posted it. Looks good to me. And it also looks like it would work
with the Parker splash shield, so as keep everybody happy.
Those who want quick exit of swamping water, and those who
are concerned about taking water over the stern.

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:00:16 +0000, Larry wrote:

Vic Smith wrote in
m:

http://www.boattest.com/VLibrary/vPlay.aspx?ID=1216

Damned spammer harvesting information. Why can't he just let you look at
it without all the crap?

He's not spamming. I went there voluntarily to get boat info, and
I'm not trying to sell Everglades boats here.
I thought his take on swamped boats needing an open transom to let
the water out was interesting, given conversations here about that.
He appears to be in agreement with Harry on that score.
The Everglades solution looks real interesting.
For those who don't want to bother watching the video,
the boat has an open transom, and what appears to be a solid splash
shield incorporates large doors/flaps that open aft only, allowing a
large volume of water to quickly exit.
Scuppers just won't do for a swamped boat, he says.
And I don't care to re-ignite all the open transom bs, but to point
to what I think is an innovative solution to swamping.
Those with more boating experience might think the solution
unnecessary, bad, or whatever. I don't know, and that's why
I posted it. Looks good to me. And it also looks like it would work
with the Parker splash shield, so as keep everybody happy.
Those who want quick exit of swamping water, and those who
are concerned about taking water over the stern.

--Vic

Only problem is .... low transoms also let the water *in* sometimes. In
addition, you have to rely on having power to get it out quickly
..
We've teased Harry about his "low" transom, but for his boat and how and
where he uses it, it's fine.

My concern would be out in some rough water (where you shouldn't be in that
boat) and having engine problems.
Take a few over the transom and things could quickly get interesting.
Conditions like that can pop up unexpectedly in Cape Cod Bay. All it takes
is a nearby thunderstorm with some wind to create confused seas.

Eisboch

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:25:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



Only problem is .... low transoms also let the water *in* sometimes. In
addition, you have to rely on having power to get it out quickly
.
I probably didn't explain it properly. What I called the "splash
shield" is actually called a transom in the video. The motor appears
to be mounted on a "motor transom" a bit back from it, but it's not...
Wait, I shouldn't have started this, because I know hardly anything
about boat design and terms.
Here's a picture and comments from a review.
http://www.sportfishingmag.com/boats...-cc-50091.html
(Larry, I'm not spamming)

"I really liked the fascinating design of the scuppers: four 2-inch
drains on centerline with a hinged lid for easy access to clear
detritus. Should you ever get water in this cockpit, it won't last
long. Add to that an innovative opening panel in the transom door
called a "freeing panel." Should you take green water over the
transom, it can readily escape through this hole in addition to
through the scuppers."

Anyway I thought the swamping comments and a look at the one-way doors
interesting when I watched the video.
I get the boattest.com e-mails and occasionally follow some links.
On second thought this setup has some space disadvantages.

--Vic


..

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:00:16 +0000, Larry wrote:

Vic Smith wrote in
:

http://www.boattest.com/VLibrary/vPlay.aspx?ID=1216
Damned spammer harvesting information. Why can't he just let you look at
it without all the crap?

He's not spamming. I went there voluntarily to get boat info, and
I'm not trying to sell Everglades boats here.
I thought his take on swamped boats needing an open transom to let
the water out was interesting, given conversations here about that.
He appears to be in agreement with Harry on that score.
The Everglades solution looks real interesting.
For those who don't want to bother watching the video,
the boat has an open transom, and what appears to be a solid splash
shield incorporates large doors/flaps that open aft only, allowing a
large volume of water to quickly exit.
Scuppers just won't do for a swamped boat, he says.
And I don't care to re-ignite all the open transom bs, but to point
to what I think is an innovative solution to swamping.
Those with more boating experience might think the solution
unnecessary, bad, or whatever. I don't know, and that's why
I posted it. Looks good to me. And it also looks like it would work
with the Parker splash shield, so as keep everybody happy.
Those who want quick exit of swamping water, and those who
are concerned about taking water over the stern.

--Vic


Gosh, how dare a president of a boat company that builds top of the line
boats extol the virtues of open transom outboard boats and claim they
are much more able to shed large amounts of water that gets in the
cockpit than closed transom boats?

I mean, doesn't that fly in the face of all the bad advice offered up by
the non-experienced boaters here? :)

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:25:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Only problem is .... low transoms also let the water *in* sometimes. In
addition, you have to rely on having power to get it out quickly
.
I probably didn't explain it properly. What I called the "splash
shield" is actually called a transom in the video. The motor appears
to be mounted on a "motor transom" a bit back from it, but it's not...
Wait, I shouldn't have started this, because I know hardly anything
about boat design and terms.
Here's a picture and comments from a review.
http://www.sportfishingmag.com/boats...-cc-50091.html
(Larry, I'm not spamming)

"I really liked the fascinating design of the scuppers: four 2-inch
drains on centerline with a hinged lid for easy access to clear
detritus. Should you ever get water in this cockpit, it won't last
long. Add to that an innovative opening panel in the transom door
called a "freeing panel." Should you take green water over the
transom, it can readily escape through this hole in addition to
through the scuppers."

Anyway I thought the swamping comments and a look at the one-way doors
interesting when I watched the video.
I get the boattest.com e-mails and occasionally follow some links.
On second thought this setup has some space disadvantages.

--Vic


.


It's simple...if you take a greenie over the bow or the sides, a boat
with a transom like mine will shed that water a lot more quickly than a
boat with a closed transom.

I have no concerns about taking waves over the transom. In fact, I have
backed my Parker into some large wakes just to test my theory, that very
little water comes aboard.

Now, if I had a bubble boat, I'd be concerned, because the water will
flow quickly into that cave of a cabin below the deck and sink the boat.

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"HK" wrote in message
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It's simple...if you take a greenie over the bow or the sides, a boat with
a transom like mine will shed that water a lot more quickly than a boat
with a closed transom.



Not to get into hypotheticals, but assume my previous example for a moment.
Your are out there drift fishing in a bit of a chop, the wind suddenly picks
up due to a thunder boomer nearby, the seas start getting confused and you
start taking a few splashes over the transom.

You wisely decide it's time to head in, but, alas! That reliable Yamaha 4
stroke suddenly decided to have a bad computer day.
It won't start. The boat's starting to bounce around a bit, some of the
growing waves smacking into that transom. Your feet start getting wet ....
oh .... wait ... that's ok. You don't mind.

Point is, if you took a serious greenie over the transom for some reason,
don't you need power on to clear it "quickly"?

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

It's simple...if you take a greenie over the bow or the sides, a boat with
a transom like mine will shed that water a lot more quickly than a boat
with a closed transom.



Not to get into hypotheticals, but assume my previous example for a moment.
Your are out there drift fishing in a bit of a chop, the wind suddenly picks
up due to a thunder boomer nearby, the seas start getting confused and you
start taking a few splashes over the transom.

You wisely decide it's time to head in, but, alas! That reliable Yamaha 4
stroke suddenly decided to have a bad computer day.
It won't start. The boat's starting to bounce around a bit, some of the
growing waves smacking into that transom. Your feet start getting wet ....
oh .... wait ... that's ok. You don't mind.

Point is, if you took a serious greenie over the transom for some reason,
don't you need power on to clear it "quickly"?

Eisboch




That's why I have a Yamaha, and not an eTec! Instant power on. :)

Actually most of the time water rolls right out the *four* transom drains.

You guys seem to think that a 25" transom is...lower than a 25" transom.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

It's simple...if you take a greenie over the bow or the sides, a boat
with a transom like mine will shed that water a lot more quickly than a
boat with a closed transom.



Not to get into hypotheticals, but assume my previous example for a
moment. Your are out there drift fishing in a bit of a chop, the wind
suddenly picks up due to a thunder boomer nearby, the seas start getting
confused and you start taking a few splashes over the transom.

You wisely decide it's time to head in, but, alas! That reliable Yamaha
4 stroke suddenly decided to have a bad computer day.
It won't start. The boat's starting to bounce around a bit, some of the
growing waves smacking into that transom. Your feet start getting wet
.... oh .... wait ... that's ok. You don't mind.

Point is, if you took a serious greenie over the transom for some reason,
don't you need power on to clear it "quickly"?

Eisboch


That's why I have a Yamaha, and not an eTec! Instant power on. :)

Actually most of the time water rolls right out the *four* transom drains.

You guys seem to think that a 25" transom is...lower than a 25" transom.



Sorry. I was thinking of the transom cutout where the engine sits. What
is it's height to the waterline?

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

It's simple...if you take a greenie over the bow or the sides, a boat
with a transom like mine will shed that water a lot more quickly than a
boat with a closed transom.


Not to get into hypotheticals, but assume my previous example for a
moment. Your are out there drift fishing in a bit of a chop, the wind
suddenly picks up due to a thunder boomer nearby, the seas start getting
confused and you start taking a few splashes over the transom.

You wisely decide it's time to head in, but, alas! That reliable Yamaha
4 stroke suddenly decided to have a bad computer day.
It won't start. The boat's starting to bounce around a bit, some of the
growing waves smacking into that transom. Your feet start getting wet
.... oh .... wait ... that's ok. You don't mind.

Point is, if you took a serious greenie over the transom for some reason,
don't you need power on to clear it "quickly"?

Eisboch

That's why I have a Yamaha, and not an eTec! Instant power on. :)

Actually most of the time water rolls right out the *four* transom drains.

You guys seem to think that a 25" transom is...lower than a 25" transom.



Sorry. I was thinking of the transom cutout where the engine sits. What
is it's height to the waterline?

Eisboch



That's the 25"+ part of my transom. The rest of the transom is about a
foot taller. Fascinating, hey?

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"HK" wrote in message
...


That's the 25"+ part of my transom. The rest of the transom is about a
foot taller. Fascinating, hey?



Do you have a standard length leg on that engine?

If so, the pictures are very deceiving.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

That's the 25"+ part of my transom. The rest of the transom is about a
foot taller. Fascinating, hey?



Do you have a standard length leg on that engine?

If so, the pictures are very deceiving.

Eisboch



Yep...standard 25" lower unit. I stated many months ago at the very
beginning of the silliness about that transom that the photos were
deceiving. But this *is* rec.boats, so ill-informed silliness abounds.

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:50:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Yep...standard 25" lower unit. I stated many months ago at the very
beginning of the silliness about that transom that the photos were
deceiving. But this *is* rec.boats, so ill-informed silliness abounds.

I was thinking that your boat's natural buoyancy would clear most of
the occasional "big" water over the stern through the cutout even when
dead in the water, and the scuppers would handle the rest.
Hypotheticals are tricky. It would be fun, or at least instructive to
try many in practice. But also very expensive.

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:50:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Yep...standard 25" lower unit. I stated many months ago at the very
beginning of the silliness about that transom that the photos were
deceiving. But this *is* rec.boats, so ill-informed silliness abounds.

I was thinking that your boat's natural buoyancy would clear most of
the occasional "big" water over the stern through the cutout even when
dead in the water, and the scuppers would handle the rest.
Hypotheticals are tricky. It would be fun, or at least instructive to
try many in practice. But also very expensive.

--Vic


I swamped an old 14 foot run-about with a 40 horse Johnson on a flat, calm
fresh water pond. Of course, I was young and an idiot.
I was trying to see how big of a confused wake I could make by going around
in really tight circles, at a speed that produced the biggest wake.
Everything was fine, then all of a sudden the boat was almost up to the
gunnels with water.

Engine kept chugging away though, and I beached it to bail it out. The trip
to shore was scary. Boats don't handle very well when they are full of
water and I fully expected it to turn into a submarine at any moment.

Eisboch

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:01:01 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


I swamped an old 14 foot run-about with a 40 horse Johnson on a flat, calm
fresh water pond. Of course, I was young and an idiot.
I was trying to see how big of a confused wake I could make by going around
in really tight circles, at a speed that produced the biggest wake.
Everything was fine, then all of a sudden the boat was almost up to the
gunnels with water.

Engine kept chugging away though, and I beached it to bail it out. The trip
to shore was scary. Boats don't handle very well when they are full of
water and I fully expected it to turn into a submarine at any moment.

Only close to swamping incident I recall is me and my grandad getting
caught out fishing on a lake when a storm rolled through fast.
He had his Elgin (7 horse I think) on his steel 12 or 14 footer.
Had to beach it as was filling up from waves splashing over from every
direction. Scary.
I probably put 10 times more miles rowing that boat while fishing than
it had with anybody clamping the motor on it.
Nice fishing boat, with built-in livewells on each side amidships.
But heavy.

--Vic

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On Jul 27, 3:56*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

It's simple...if you take a greenie over the bow or the sides, a boat with
a transom like mine will shed that water a lot more quickly than a boat
with a closed transom.

Not to get into hypotheticals, but assume my previous example for a moment.
Your are out there drift fishing in a bit of a chop, the wind suddenly picks
up due to a thunder boomer nearby, the seas start getting confused and you
start taking a few splashes over the transom.

You wisely decide it's time to head in, but, alas! * That reliable Yamaha 4
stroke suddenly decided to have a bad computer day.
It won't start. *The boat's starting to bounce around a bit, some of the
growing waves smacking into that transom. *Your feet start getting wet ....
oh .... wait ... that's ok. *You don't mind.

Point is, if you took a serious greenie over the transom for some reason,
don't you need power on to clear it "quickly"?

Eisboch


Actually most of the time water rolls right out the *four* transom drains..


"Most of the time"? Just how often do you take on water over the
transom? What happens when the four drains don't do the job?

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:50:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Yep...standard 25" lower unit. I stated many months ago at the very
beginning of the silliness about that transom that the photos were
deceiving. But this *is* rec.boats, so ill-informed silliness abounds.

I was thinking that your boat's natural buoyancy would clear most of
the occasional "big" water over the stern through the cutout even when
dead in the water, and the scuppers would handle the rest.
Hypotheticals are tricky. It would be fun, or at least instructive to
try many in practice. But also very expensive.

--Vic


I swamped an old 14 foot run-about with a 40 horse Johnson on a flat, calm
fresh water pond. Of course, I was young and an idiot.
I was trying to see how big of a confused wake I could make by going
around in really tight circles, at a speed that produced the biggest wake.
Everything was fine, then all of a sudden the boat was almost up to the
gunnels with water.

Engine kept chugging away though, and I beached it to bail it out. The
trip to shore was scary. Boats don't handle very well when they are full
of water and I fully expected it to turn into a submarine at any moment.

Eisboch

I did the same thing, only a 12 footer and 18 horse Evinrude Fastwin.

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:50:30 -0400, HK wrote:
Yep...standard 25" lower unit. I stated many months ago at the very
beginning of the silliness about that transom that the photos were
deceiving. But this *is* rec.boats, so ill-informed silliness abounds.

I was thinking that your boat's natural buoyancy would clear most of
the occasional "big" water over the stern through the cutout even when
dead in the water, and the scuppers would handle the rest.
Hypotheticals are tricky. It would be fun, or at least instructive to
try many in practice. But also very expensive.

--Vic


I've been slammed by some big wakes from cruisers, and typically the
stern just rides up and down the crests.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Jul 27, 3:56 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
It's simple...if you take a greenie over the bow or the sides, a boat
with
a transom like mine will shed that water a lot more quickly than a
boat
with a closed transom.
Not to get into hypotheticals, but assume my previous example for a
moment.
Your are out there drift fishing in a bit of a chop, the wind suddenly
picks
up due to a thunder boomer nearby, the seas start getting confused and
you
start taking a few splashes over the transom.
You wisely decide it's time to head in, but, alas! That reliable
Yamaha 4
stroke suddenly decided to have a bad computer day.
It won't start. The boat's starting to bounce around a bit, some of
the
growing waves smacking into that transom. Your feet start getting wet
....
oh .... wait ... that's ok. You don't mind.
Point is, if you took a serious greenie over the transom for some
reason,
don't you need power on to clear it "quickly"?
Eisboch

Actually most of the time water rolls right out the *four* transom
drains.


"Most of the time"? Just how often do you take on water over the
transom? What happens when the four drains don't do the job?




Ahhh...another customer for the bozo bin. Bye bye, a**hole.

Remember when you get to 20 you get a gold star. You must be getting close.
Eh?

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:27:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

You wisely decide it's time to head in, but, alas! That reliable Yamaha 4
stroke suddenly decided to have a bad computer day.

There's an even worse scenario than that: Suppose you wind up a
lobster pot or crab trap on your prop. Now you are not only disabled,
but anchored by the stern as well. The operator will now go to the
rear of the boat to clear the problem and make the low transom even
lower, just as a wave or wake comes along and dumps another 300 pounds
in the back of the boat. This is not a hypothetical situation - it
actually happens, and if you don't have level flotation, the boat
sinks.

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CalifBill wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:27:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

You wisely decide it's time to head in, but, alas! That reliable Yamaha
4
stroke suddenly decided to have a bad computer day.
There's an even worse scenario than that: Suppose you wind up a
lobster pot or crab trap on your prop. Now you are not only disabled,
but anchored by the stern as well. The operator will now go to the
rear of the boat to clear the problem and make the low transom even
lower, just as a wave or wake comes along and dumps another 300 pounds
in the back of the boat. This is not a hypothetical situation - it
actually happens, and if you don't have level flotation, the boat
sinks.


Friend did that with his Whaler 2 years ago. Wrapped a crap pot and 2 of 3
went to the back of the boat to untangle. As a wave hit boat, 3rd guy came
back to help. Boat flipped. Lucky for them, the whaler has a flat bottom
and 3 hours later, just before dark, a commercial crab guy saw them. Pulled
them off the bottom of the boat. Gear not in a floating ditch bag and spare
VHF went to the bottom of the sea.




You know, I cannot think of a powerboat boat that will not turn turtle
under some circumstances. And some boats will sink like a stone if
holed. Hit a nice sharp coral reef head in, oh, say a Grand Banks, punch
a 2' hagged hole in the bottom, and then what? Watch your boat sink.
That's what. And what would you make of that? That it is a good idea to
gain the experience you need to be a safe boater and to know where you
are at all times on the space-time continuum.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:27:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

You wisely decide it's time to head in, but, alas! That reliable Yamaha
4
stroke suddenly decided to have a bad computer day.

There's an even worse scenario than that: Suppose you wind up a
lobster pot or crab trap on your prop. Now you are not only disabled,
but anchored by the stern as well. The operator will now go to the
rear of the boat to clear the problem and make the low transom even
lower, just as a wave or wake comes along and dumps another 300 pounds
in the back of the boat. This is not a hypothetical situation - it
actually happens, and if you don't have level flotation, the boat
sinks.


Friend did that with his Whaler 2 years ago. Wrapped a crap pot and 2 of 3
went to the back of the boat to untangle. As a wave hit boat, 3rd guy came
back to help. Boat flipped. Lucky for them, the whaler has a flat bottom
and 3 hours later, just before dark, a commercial crab guy saw them. Pulled
them off the bottom of the boat. Gear not in a floating ditch bag and spare
VHF went to the bottom of the sea.

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On Jul 28, 1:58*pm, HK wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:27:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

You wisely decide it's time to head in, but, alas! * That reliable Yamaha
4
stroke suddenly decided to have a bad computer day.
There's an even worse scenario than that: *Suppose you wind up a
lobster pot or crab trap on your prop. *Now you are not only disabled,
but anchored by the stern as well. *The operator will now go to the
rear of the boat to clear the problem and make the low transom even
lower, just as a wave or wake comes along and dumps another 300 pounds
in the back of the boat. *This is not a hypothetical situation - it
actually happens, and if you don't have level flotation, the boat
sinks.

Friend did that with his Whaler 2 years ago. *Wrapped a crap pot and 2 of 3
went to the back of the boat to untangle. As a wave hit boat, 3rd guy came
back to help. *Boat flipped. *Lucky for them, the whaler has a flat bottom
and 3 hours later, just before dark, a commercial crab guy saw them. *Pulled
them off the bottom of the boat. *Gear not in a floating ditch bag and spare
VHF went to the bottom of the sea.

You know, I cannot think of a powerboat boat that will not turn turtle
under some circumstances. And some boats will sink like a stone if
holed. Hit a nice sharp coral reef head in, oh, say a Grand Banks, punch
a 2' hagged hole in the bottom, and then what? Watch your boat sink.
That's what. And what would you make of that? That it is a good idea to
gain the experience you need to be a safe boater and to know where you
are at all times on the space-time continuum.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What's a "hagged hole"?

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What's a "hagged hole"?

I'm sure I'm not the only one that has thought of multiple responses to
that, so I'll leave it alone. g

--Mike

wrote in message
...
On Jul 28, 1:58 pm, HK wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:27:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

You wisely decide it's time to head in, but, alas! That reliable
Yamaha
4
stroke suddenly decided to have a bad computer day.
There's an even worse scenario than that: Suppose you wind up a
lobster pot or crab trap on your prop. Now you are not only disabled,
but anchored by the stern as well. The operator will now go to the
rear of the boat to clear the problem and make the low transom even
lower, just as a wave or wake comes along and dumps another 300 pounds
in the back of the boat. This is not a hypothetical situation - it
actually happens, and if you don't have level flotation, the boat
sinks.

Friend did that with his Whaler 2 years ago. Wrapped a crap pot and 2 of
3
went to the back of the boat to untangle. As a wave hit boat, 3rd guy
came
back to help. Boat flipped. Lucky for them, the whaler has a flat bottom
and 3 hours later, just before dark, a commercial crab guy saw them.
Pulled
them off the bottom of the boat. Gear not in a floating ditch bag and
spare
VHF went to the bottom of the sea.

You know, I cannot think of a powerboat boat that will not turn turtle
under some circumstances. And some boats will sink like a stone if
holed. Hit a nice sharp coral reef head in, oh, say a Grand Banks, punch
a 2' hagged hole in the bottom, and then what? Watch your boat sink.
That's what. And what would you make of that? That it is a good idea to
gain the experience you need to be a safe boater and to know where you
are at all times on the space-time continuum.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What's a "hagged hole"?

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Jim wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Jul 27, 3:56 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
It's simple...if you take a greenie over the bow or the sides, a
boat with
a transom like mine will shed that water a lot more quickly than a
boat
with a closed transom.
Not to get into hypotheticals, but assume my previous example for a
moment.
Your are out there drift fishing in a bit of a chop, the wind
suddenly picks
up due to a thunder boomer nearby, the seas start getting confused
and you
start taking a few splashes over the transom.
You wisely decide it's time to head in, but, alas! That reliable
Yamaha 4
stroke suddenly decided to have a bad computer day.
It won't start. The boat's starting to bounce around a bit, some
of the
growing waves smacking into that transom. Your feet start getting
wet ....
oh .... wait ... that's ok. You don't mind.
Point is, if you took a serious greenie over the transom for some
reason,
don't you need power on to clear it "quickly"?
Eisboch

Actually most of the time water rolls right out the *four* transom
drains.


"Most of the time"? Just how often do you take on water over the
transom? What happens when the four drains don't do the job?




Ahhh...another customer for the bozo bin. Bye bye, a**hole.

Remember when you get to 20 you get a gold star. You must be getting
close. Eh?

WAFA "binned" someone for a perfectly valid question. His narcissism
evidently causes him to react this way - avoiding any hint of adversity
with a false promise of avoidance.

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:58:06 -0400, HK wrote:

Hit a nice sharp coral reef head in, oh, say a Grand Banks, punch
a 2' hagged hole in the bottom,

There's a major difference: Coral heads are generally charted unless
you are boondocking, crab traps and lobster pots, never.

Hitting a coral head fast enough to hole your boat requires a great
deal of negligence, incredibly bad luck or both. Anyone who has *not*
snagged a trap at one time or another has not really been there.

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On Jul 28, 10:56*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:58:06 -0400, HK wrote:
Hit a nice sharp coral reef head in, oh, say a Grand Banks, punch
a 2' hagged hole in the bottom,

There's a major difference: *Coral heads are generally charted unless
you are boondocking, crab traps and lobster pots, never.

Hitting a coral head fast enough to hole your boat requires a great
deal of negligence, incredibly bad luck or both. *Anyone who has *not*
snagged a trap at one time or another has not really been there.

I snagged one with one of Shortpants lures last season.. Boy was he
****ed. I told him I was just pointing it out for him. He's getting up
there you know;) Uh, uh, I mean, he's tall, yeah, way up there...
That's what I said..

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:58:06 -0400, HK wrote:

Hit a nice sharp coral reef head in, oh, say a Grand Banks, punch
a 2' hagged hole in the bottom,

There's a major difference: Coral heads are generally charted unless
you are boondocking, crab traps and lobster pots, never.

Hitting a coral head fast enough to hole your boat requires a great
deal of negligence, incredibly bad luck or both. Anyone who has *not*
snagged a trap at one time or another has not really been there.



Right, W'hine. "Nothing" can happen to your and yours. snerk

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:23:20 -0400, hk wrote:

There's a major difference: Coral heads are generally charted unless
you are boondocking, crab traps and lobster pots, never.

Hitting a coral head fast enough to hole your boat requires a great
deal of negligence, incredibly bad luck or both. Anyone who has *not*
snagged a trap at one time or another has not really been there.



Right, W'hine. "Nothing" can happen to your and yours. snerk

WAFA

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:23:20 -0400, hk wrote:

There's a major difference: Coral heads are generally charted unless
you are boondocking, crab traps and lobster pots, never.

Hitting a coral head fast enough to hole your boat requires a great
deal of negligence, incredibly bad luck or both. Anyone who has *not*
snagged a trap at one time or another has not really been there.


Right, W'hine. "Nothing" can happen to your and yours. snerk

WAFA




Isn't time for another of your cruises to the same places you've been
before?

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On Jul 29, 6:23*am, hk wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:58:06 -0400, HK wrote:

Hit a nice sharp coral reef head in, oh, say a Grand Banks, punch
a 2' hagged hole in the bottom,

There's a major difference: *Coral heads are generally charted unless
you are boondocking, crab traps and lobster pots, never.

Hitting a coral head fast enough to hole your boat requires a great
deal of negligence, incredibly bad luck or both. *Anyone who has *not*
snagged a trap at one time or another has not really been there.

Right, W'hine. "Nothing" can happen to your and yours. * snerk

Harry, remember calling other people stupid, idiots, ignorant, etc.
because of misspellings and typs?

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"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:58:06 -0400, HK wrote:

Hit a nice sharp coral reef head in, oh, say a Grand Banks, punch a 2'
hagged hole in the bottom,

There's a major difference: Coral heads are generally charted unless
you are boondocking, crab traps and lobster pots, never.

Hitting a coral head fast enough to hole your boat requires a great
deal of negligence, incredibly bad luck or both. Anyone who has *not*
snagged a trap at one time or another has not really been there.



Right, W'hine. "Nothing" can happen to your and yours. snerk

Wayne seems to be managing his risks quite well. You on the other hand
bought a low transom Parker with a big sail on top. Talk about thumbing your
nose at Davy Jones. Wahhh Ha Ha. WAFA

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hk wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:23:20 -0400, hk wrote:

There's a major difference: Coral heads are generally charted unless
you are boondocking, crab traps and lobster pots, never.

Hitting a coral head fast enough to hole your boat requires a great
deal of negligence, incredibly bad luck or both. Anyone who has *not*
snagged a trap at one time or another has not really been there.


Right, W'hine. "Nothing" can happen to your and yours. snerk

WAFA




Isn't time for another of your cruises to the same places you've been
before?

Harry, isn't it time to put Wayne in your bozo bin?