wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:15:24 -0400, hk wrote:


Two weeks ago, the Navy canceled plans to build the rest of its hulking
stealth destroyers. At first, it looked like the DDG-1000s'
$5-billion-a-copy price tag was to blame. Now, it appears the real
reason has slipped out: The Navy's most advanced warship is all but
defenseless against one of its best-known threats.

It's worse than that, there's a serious question of it's seaworthiness.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...00-destroyers-
be-unstable-03203/



Ahhh...the military-industrial complex at its best. :)


--
"In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations."
John McCain, news conference, 13 August 2008, forgetting somehow that
the United States invaded and occupied Iraq in 2003. Another McCain
senior moment?

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:16:23 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Oh, by the way - interesting article the other day about polling results
- in that whites ~~ THE HORROR ~~ may actually lie about voting for a
black man when polled. Which, according to the author of the article,
may portend a huge landslide - for McCain.

Demographics, lad, demographics. Republicans are a dying breed. Their
power base is white, particularly white male. In another twenty years,
whites will no longer be the majority in this country. Republicans
either expand their base to include females, Hispanics, blacks, or they
will become the permanent minority party.

http://people-press.org/report/124/republicans

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

Retraining - we need to retrain all these painters, carpenters,
riggers, stage, crane operators, plumbers and make them all computer
engineers and technicians, doctors, lawyers and nurses.


or professional writers.

Eisboch
*That* requires skill.




I am living proof that *that* is not necessarily so. I am far from a
professional writer, yet we are still communicating.

Ok ... here's a bizarre outlook for you .....

One of the reasons that I don't think your concept of a social program based
utopia will work in the US is this:

Countries in Europe, the Middle East and Asia have long standing cultural
unity. What is good for one is likely to be good for all.
The US is based on cultural diversity. What works for one is not
necessarily good for their next door neighbor.

One of the reasons Japan felt confident to attack Pearl Harbor was because
they mistakenly believed that our diverse population could never unite
effectively and we would be thrown into internal chaos. Similarly, the
reactions to the attack of 9/11 demonstrated the type of unity this country
relies upon.

The US is unique in this regard, IMO.

Eisboch

wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:16:23 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Oh, by the way - interesting article the other day about polling results
- in that whites ~~ THE HORROR ~~ may actually lie about voting for a
black man when polled. Which, according to the author of the article,
may portend a huge landslide - for McCain.

Demographics, lad, demographics. Republicans are a dying breed. Their
power base is white, particularly white male. In another twenty years,
whites will no longer be the majority in this country. Republicans
either expand their base to include females, Hispanics, blacks, or they
will become the permanent minority party.

http://people-press.org/report/124/republicans



Or, even better, they'll just die out altogether.


--
"In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations."
John McCain, news conference, 13 August 2008, forgetting somehow that
the United States invaded and occupied Iraq in 2003. Another McCain
senior moment?

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

Retraining - we need to retrain all these painters, carpenters,
riggers, stage, crane operators, plumbers and make them all computer
engineers and technicians, doctors, lawyers and nurses.

or professional writers.

Eisboch
*That* requires skill.




I am living proof that *that* is not necessarily so. I am far from a
professional writer, yet we are still communicating.

Ok ... here's a bizarre outlook for you .....

One of the reasons that I don't think your concept of a social program based
utopia will work in the US is this:

Countries in Europe, the Middle East and Asia have long standing cultural
unity. What is good for one is likely to be good for all.
The US is based on cultural diversity. What works for one is not
necessarily good for their next door neighbor.

One of the reasons Japan felt confident to attack Pearl Harbor was because
they mistakenly believed that our diverse population could never unite
effectively and we would be thrown into internal chaos. Similarly, the
reactions to the attack of 9/11 demonstrated the type of unity this country
relies upon.

The US is unique in this regard, IMO.

Eisboch



I'm sorry, but I don't recall advocating a "social program based utopia."





--
"In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations."
John McCain, news conference, 13 August 2008, forgetting somehow that
the United States invaded and occupied Iraq in 2003. Another McCain
senior moment?

"hk" wrote in message
news


I'm sorry, but I don't recall advocating a "social program based utopia."




Well, that's how this reader interprets your professional writing.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news

I'm sorry, but I don't recall advocating a "social program based utopia."




Well, that's how this reader interprets your professional writing.

Eisboch




I believe in a strong social safety net that keeps people healthy and
provides for high level training so that everyone has access to
meaningful work that provides a decent living for a family. It's the
Norwegian approach, sort of.


--
"In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations."
John McCain, news conference, 13 August 2008, forgetting somehow that
the United States invaded and occupied Iraq in 2003. Another McCain
senior moment?

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news

I'm sorry, but I don't recall advocating a "social program based
utopia."




Well, that's how this reader interprets your professional writing.

Eisboch




I believe in a strong social safety net that keeps people healthy and
provides for high level training so that everyone has access to meaningful
work that provides a decent living for a family. It's the Norwegian
approach, sort of.


That's what I thought.

Eisboch

"hk" wrote in message
. ..


I believe in a strong social safety net that keeps people healthy and
provides for high level training so that everyone has access to meaningful
work that provides a decent living for a family. It's the Norwegian
approach, sort of.


Works well among the Norwegians. Throw a Swede into the mix and the whole
system goes to hell in a handbasket. :-)

Eisboch (a product of both a Swede and a Norwegian)

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news

I'm sorry, but I don't recall advocating a "social program based
utopia."



Well, that's how this reader interprets your professional writing.

Eisboch



I believe in a strong social safety net that keeps people healthy and
provides for high level training so that everyone has access to meaningful
work that provides a decent living for a family. It's the Norwegian
approach, sort of.


That's what I thought.

Eisboch



Indeed...I believe a healthy citizenry is a more productive citizenry,
and I believe it is a waste of valuable resources when people who want
to work cannot find jobs that provide a decent living for their families.

I also believe labor is just as valuable as capital.



--
"In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations."
John McCain, news conference, 13 August 2008, forgetting somehow that
the United States invaded and occupied Iraq in 2003. Another McCain
senior moment?