....the Russians destroying Georgia?

Too bad we have no more credibility in the world. If we did, we would be
at the forefront of nations demanding that the Russians pull out of
Georgia and head back to their own country.



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...the Russians destroying Georgia?

Too bad we have no more credibility in the world. If we did, we would be
at the forefront of nations demanding that the Russians pull out of
Georgia and head back to their own country.



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I'm sure that option is being studied by folks a hell of a lot smarter than
you. We'll probably be hearing our official position soon.

On Aug 13, 8:54*am, "Jim" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

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...the Russians destroying Georgia?

Too bad we have no more credibility in the world. If we did, we would be
at the forefront of nations demanding that the Russians pull out of
Georgia and head back to their own country.

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I'm sure that option is being studied by folks a hell of a lot smarter than
you. We'll probably be hearing our official position soon.

The situation is far too serious to even try to engage wafa with
common sense over this one... I suggest we leave him to pimping his
empty suit...

Jim wrote:

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On Aug 13, 9:07 am, hk wrote:
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On Aug 13, 8:54 am, "Jim" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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...the Russians destroying Georgia?
Too bad we have no more credibility in the world. If we did, we
would be
at the forefront of nations demanding that the Russians pull out of
Georgia and head back to their own country.
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I'm sure that option is being studied by folks a hell of a lot
smarter than
you. We'll probably be hearing our official position soon.
The situation is far too serious to even try to engage wafa with
common sense over this one... I suggest we leave him to pimping his
empty suit...
The president of Georgia said in the last half hour he was disappointed
by the mushiness (my word) of the initial responses from the Bush
Admin,
because he thought Bush gave the Russians a "green light" to do
whatever
they wanted.

The point is, Bush has blown our credibility in the world of diplomacy,
and you can trace that directly to his invading Iraq under false
pretenses. Sadly, McCain is now blowing the same neocon horn that Bush
suck on.

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Well, maybe Obama can go "talk" to the Russians.... Your lies and
political shilling will not be productive here, or anywhere..
Thousands of people are dying in a long planned ethnic cleansing by
Moscow, this is not the time for wafa... Hopefully everyone here will
leave you to your salivating...


It's not a matter of "talking" to the Russians, d.f. It's a matter of
calling an immediate head-of-state meeting of our European allies, and
presenting the Russians with a unified list of diplomatic and trade
ultimatums to put pressure on them. Georgia is a close ally of the U.S.,
a reasonable modern democracy, and a country we've been promoting for
membership in NATO.

We're in no position to make military threats to the Russians but they
will respond to the right sorts of pressure.

Perhaps your tired out old geezer McCain will learn how to pronounce the
name of the president of Georgia, eh?





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WAFA. Go forth and spread the word. You need to present your ideas
before a much larger audience than rec.boats. Report back here once in a
while to let us know how you are doing. Good luck and god speed.

I am surprised why someone who professes to want to help humanity,
doesn't do something ... anything .... besides posting in rec.boats.

I am out of here for the next two days..... enjoy

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It's not a matter of "talking" to the Russians, d.f. It's a matter of
calling an immediate head-of-state meeting of our European allies, and
presenting the Russians with a unified list of diplomatic and trade
ultimatums to put pressure on them.


Based on what I am hearing news-wise, that's exactly what is happening.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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It's not a matter of "talking" to the Russians, d.f. It's a matter of
calling an immediate head-of-state meeting of our European allies, and
presenting the Russians with a unified list of diplomatic and trade
ultimatums to put pressure on them.


Based on what I am hearing news-wise, that's exactly what is happening.

Eisboch



Actually, the French are taking the lead, but it is good that Bush is
sending in relief supplies. I'm not sure what sending Condi Rice over
there will do, since she has about the same credibility on the
international stage as Bush, meaning...zero.

The Russians know that when it comes to dealing with a country that can
fight back, we're paper tigers. But a unified Europe could put the
kibash on the Russkies.



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On Aug 13, 12:05*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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It's not a matter of "talking" to the Russians, d.f. It's a matter of
calling an immediate head-of-state meeting of our European allies, and
presenting the Russians with a unified list of diplomatic and trade
ultimatums to put pressure on them.

Based on what I am hearing news-wise, that's exactly what is happening.

Eisboch

Same old same old. Bush sends troops somewhere, it's wrong. Bush
doesn't send troops somewhere, it's wrong. Just ask the great stateman
Harry.

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:10:12 -0400, hk wrote:

The Russians know that when it comes to dealing with a country that can
fight back, we're paper tigers. But a unified Europe could put the
kibash on the Russkies.

Don't think so. Putin is flexing his muscles, and it plays well in
Russia. With the European heating season coming on, I would suggest the
EU is the paper tiger.

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:10:12 -0400, hk wrote:

The Russians know that when it comes to dealing with a country that can
fight back, we're paper tigers. But a unified Europe could put the
kibash on the Russkies.

Don't think so. Putin is flexing his muscles, and it plays well in
Russia. With the European heating season coming on, I would suggest the
EU is the paper tiger.


The point is this: despite protestations from neocons and their camp
followers, the United States doesn't have the wherewithal to challenge
any large nuclear power, and we haven't had it for many decades. We have
a big military, but it can only be used to take on or threaten little
crap countries, and sometimes not those (e.g., Vietnam).

Thanks to Bush, we don't have any diplomatic clout left, either, nor can
we claim we're on the high moral road.

Therefore, there isn't much we can do to "persuade" the Russkis to leave
Georgia and not to invade any of its other former satellites.

The Europeans are not going to take the Russkies on militarily, either,
but, unlike us, they are not in the diplomatic and moral cellar, and
they can do a lot more to force reasonable behavior than we can.

The Russians don't give a damn what we think about what they are doing.
They know we are not in a position to do dick about it.




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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:28:07 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:10:12 -0400, hk wrote:

The Russians know that when it comes to dealing with a country that can
fight back, we're paper tigers. But a unified Europe could put the
kibash on the Russkies.

Don't think so. Putin is flexing his muscles, and it plays well in
Russia. With the European heating season coming on, I would suggest the
EU is the paper tiger.

A unified Europe will sit there and watch the Russians take country after
country until they get to Great Britain, unless we help. You're absolutely
correct.
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