On Aug 22, 12:40*pm, John H. salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:15:26 -0400, BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:45:17 -0400, SmallBoats.com
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:43:41 -0400, John H.
I just went over to Gene's side to see what gives. I looked at 'hk'
posts
and found that most were attack posts or political bull**** of one
kind or
another.
If a post like the following can make it through, then the filters
don't
seem to be doing much good

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Don White wrote:
"John H." salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote in message
news:60sna4t0d4a5d5v0plf5arpgr8ktboh550@4ax. com...
Don, please extend my apologies to your mom for harassing her.

When you made a comment about someone's mom, it made me wonder how
yours
was doing. So I asked. You replied that she was doing well. I
asked if
you'd taken her out in the boat.

You and Harry decided to turn it into something ugly, for whatever
pleasure
it gave you.

I don't know what your 'troubles' are. I hope you can get over them.
--
** Good Day! **

* *John H
My 'trouble' is that you are a complete asshole and
encourage/facilitate others to act as you do.
The only comment I made to another poster is that he would be
running crying to his moma....
Just incase your elite military training didn't educate you on the
finer points... this is a comment about the poster.. not his mother.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:55:10 -0400, hk wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:

My family has a square stern Grumman canoe with a sailing rig. [that
hasn't been used since the fifties] Also a three HP evinrude that is
downright scary at WOT. It could easily handle the trip sail, or
power. It isn't that far...

Casady


You think a canoe with a 3 hp outboard is sufficient for a trip from
Florida to Bimini, eh?

I think taking or even advising taking that sort of trip in a canoe is
foolish. Aside from all the other stuff that could happen, one sudden
wave breaking broadside and you are shark food.

Trip would take less than three hours.

Casady

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:37:30 -0400, hk wrote:

Perhaps the wall was built by non-union masons and the
mortar is mostly sand.

Mortar is supposed to be three quarters sand.

Casady

wrote:
On Aug 22, 12:40 pm, John H. salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:15:26 -0400, BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:45:17 -0400, SmallBoats.com
wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:43:41 -0400, John H.
I just went over to Gene's side to see what gives. I looked at 'hk'
posts
and found that most were attack posts or political bull**** of one
kind or
another.
If a post like the following can make it through, then the filters
don't
seem to be doing much good
**************************
Don White wrote:
"John H." salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote in message
...
Don, please extend my apologies to your mom for harassing her.
When you made a comment about someone's mom, it made me wonder how
yours
was doing. So I asked. You replied that she was doing well. I
asked if
you'd taken her out in the boat.
You and Harry decided to turn it into something ugly, for whatever
pleasure
it gave you.
I don't know what your 'troubles' are. I hope you can get over them.
--
** Good Day! **
John H
My 'trouble' is that you are a complete asshole and
encourage/facilitate others to act as you do.
The only comment I made to another poster is that he would be
running crying to his moma....
Just incase your elite military training didn't educate you on the
finer points... this is a comment about the poster.. not his mother.
..but of course you know this and saw an opportunity to irritate,
agitate and instigate yet again.
As the locals say up here... kiss me arse!
"Elite Military Training!"
I love it.
************************************************** ***
I have him KF'ed along with salty through Agent and Gene's filters..
but what gets through is kind of strange..
You get through. What could be stranger than that?
That we have a pack of posters here who never or hardly ever boat?
Herring doesn't boat, and neither do Reggie, DK, BAR, Florida Jim, and
the rest of the Seven Schitts. You think otherwise, just check out their
posts. Hold your nose, though.
You don't boat, you can't possibly boat when you spend all of your
waking hours posting to USENET. Do you want me to prove it again?
Remember, Google deletes your posts after a few days but other news
servers have them going back several years.
Something must be better. Last week he referred to a 'dozen or so'. Now
it's back to the 'Seven Schitts'.

But hey, some folks find him enjoyable!- Hide quoted text -

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At the expence of the rest who really can't participate in those
threads without having to go on the defensive and correct the twisted
bull****... For someone here to suggest "all you have to do is be nice
to harry" is either niave or malicious. Simply having an opposing
opinion than wafa means you get attacked, especially if you prove his
points to be lies, out of context, or just plain made up.. There are a
very few here who can participate in any of those conversations, so
little but one side and the other sides' lies get put up for
consideration.. not much of a debate But if you are debating with
only harry, at least you can pat yourself on the back for pobably
being right...

Yes, this is a direct knock at Dick and my friend Tom... I won't hide
that here, it would be useless. Hey, if Tom, Dick, and Harry (I
have been waiting for the chance...) can have disagreements, hopefully
Tom and Dick will appreciante my point of view here... Or at least
appreciate that I am being honest and don't kiss anyones......
later, time to go to work...


Stop whining, baby.

wrote in message
...


At the expence of the rest who really can't participate in those
threads without having to go on the defensive and correct the twisted
bull****... For someone here to suggest "all you have to do is be nice
to harry" is either niave or malicious. Simply having an opposing
opinion than wafa means you get attacked, especially if you prove his
points to be lies, out of context, or just plain made up.. There are a
very few here who can participate in any of those conversations, so
little but one side and the other sides' lies get put up for
consideration.. not much of a debate But if you are debating with
only harry, at least you can pat yourself on the back for pobably
being right...

Yes, this is a direct knock at Dick and my friend Tom... I won't hide
that here, it would be useless. Hey, if Tom, Dick, and Harry (I
have been waiting for the chance...) can have disagreements, hopefully
Tom and Dick will appreciante my point of view here... Or at least
appreciate that I am being honest and don't kiss anyones......
later, time to go to work...

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You've made your point. Now, let me make one.

Newsgroups always been a place of debate, a forum to express opposing
viewpoints and for spirited conversation, within a general category of
common interest. It dates back to the very early days of Usenet and, in
fact, predates it. Anyone who thinks rec.boats should *only* be about boats
is woefully unaware of the background of unmoderated newsgroups.

But, discussion and debate can be done in a civil manner without resorting
to name calling and vulgarity. That is nothing but childishness.

Believe me, I am not in the habit of kissing anyone's ass, nor do I expect
anyone to kiss mine. However, I can engage is a lively debate without
having to resort to personal name calling. .... most of the time .. I
admit, there is at least one person who posts here that I find so personally
disagreeable that I find it very difficult to stick to my own rules. :-)

I debate with Harry for three reasons. One. Although I disagree with him
regularly, he does make compelling points once in a while that cause me to
think. That never hurt anyone. Two. I am well aware of your (and
several other people's) objections to me "engaging" with Harry. I do so
however to demonstrate that halfway civil conversation may be had, even if
the parties are in total disagreement. Three. I've had newsgroup
discussions and debates with Harry for about 13 years now. Eventually, I
want to succeed in my goal of converting him into a Republican.

If you notice, I also converse with you, and other members that often resort
to name calling and frustrated vulgarity.
If you also notice, I don't return the same.

So, bottom line is, I am sorry you and others can't have civil discussion
with those you can't agree with. To me it sounds like the little kid who,
when he can't compete, takes his ball and goes home. There are several
people who participate in this newsgroup who share different viewpoints, but
can express them thoughtfully without personally attacking each other.

If everyone made an honest effort to drop the personal insults, conversation
could be had by all. The problem and question is, who is big enough to
make the first effort?

Eisboch

Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:37:30 -0400, hk wrote:

Perhaps the wall was built by non-union masons and the
mortar is mostly sand.

Mortar is supposed to be three quarters sand.

Casady


Kinda depends on the mortar and its use. Typical 3/1/12 "M" mortar is
indeed 3/4's sand, but that doesn't mean it is "mostly sand," because
"mostly sand" won't work as mortar. You need the other ingredients for a
real bond...portland cement and lime and depending on the weather and
strength, sometimes other incredients. And let's not forget the water, eh?

However, beginning apprentices build short walls out of brick and only
sand and water as their mortar, because the brick and the sand are
knocked over and used over and over.

Unskilled, poorly trained non-union masons are known to put too much
sand in their mortar mixes in order to save more money for the
contractor. I've also seen them build veneers walls 12' tall without the
use of brick ties and without putting in weep holes.

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:56:28 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:55:10 -0400, hk wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:

My family has a square stern Grumman canoe with a sailing rig. [that
hasn't been used since the fifties] Also a three HP evinrude that is
downright scary at WOT. It could easily handle the trip sail, or
power. It isn't that far...

Casady


You think a canoe with a 3 hp outboard is sufficient for a trip from
Florida to Bimini, eh?

I think taking or even advising taking that sort of trip in a canoe is
foolish. Aside from all the other stuff that could happen, one sudden
wave breaking broadside and you are shark food.

Trip would take less than three hours.

Casady

Catastrophe could be a matter of seconds or minutes. Three hours could
be an eternity.

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Calif Bill wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
SmallBoats.com wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:12:21 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:45:17 -0400, SmallBoats.com

wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:43:41 -0400, John H.
I just went over to Gene's side to see what gives. I looked at 'hk'
posts
and found that most were attack posts or political bull**** of one
kind or
another.
If a post like the following can make it through, then the filters
don't
seem to be doing much good

**************************
Don White wrote:
"John H." salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote in message
...
Don, please extend my apologies to your mom for harassing her.

When you made a comment about someone's mom, it made me wonder how
yours
was doing. So I asked. You replied that she was doing well. I
asked if
you'd taken her out in the boat.

You and Harry decided to turn it into something ugly, for whatever
pleasure
it gave you.

I don't know what your 'troubles' are. I hope you can get over
them.
--
** Good Day! **

John H
My 'trouble' is that you are a complete asshole and
encourage/facilitate others to act as you do.
The only comment I made to another poster is that he would be
running crying to his moma....
Just incase your elite military training didn't educate you on the
finer points... this is a comment about the poster.. not his
mother.
..but of course you know this and saw an opportunity to irritate,
agitate and instigate yet again.
As the locals say up here... kiss me arse!

"Elite Military Training!"

I love it.
************************************************** ***
I have him KF'ed along with salty through Agent and Gene's filters..
but what gets through is kind of strange..
I hadn't KF'd anyone on Gene's side. I wanted to see what it did on
its
own. It looks as though it's letting all of Harry's crap through and,
in
the case of his political ****, all the responses to it.
And at the same time, filters out any response you might make posting
through it... It's getting to the point where only a certain few can
post and recieve the info they come for anyway.. What ****es me off is
it's mosty the ones who abandoned the group for Chucks and then came
back after our buddie tore that place apart. I am about done with
rec.boats soon, I am sure our favorites will freely have fun with
that, I expect mabey one or two of our elitits will have fun with that
too... The problem with living behind a wall, is you can't see out
either...

I think your problem is that you are behind a wall with a pipe of
Amontillado. Perhaps the wall was built by non-union masons and the
mortar is mostly sand. If so, you can kick the wall down. If not...


Only wall I saw fall down from bad mortar was at my dad's shop and was
built by "Union Masons"! The construction union never bothered my dad
again.


Bull****.



Not bull****. The labor union picketed because my dad and employees were
doing the job. So they hired the union supplied masons. They kept adding
sand and cement to the mortar all day and that night it rained. Wall fell
down. Motar was almost all sand by end of day. Happened in the early
1950's. Richmond, CA. II now you could never admit that a union man did a
crappy job.

wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:11:18 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Eventually, I want to succeed in my goal of converting him into a
Republican.


Are you sure you really want to succeed in that? ;-)


Good point. Back to the drawing board.

Eisboch

wrote in message
...

Well said.. I have one last question for you. Do you, or do you not
believe there are several here who reguardless of the manner presented
could never have a civil conversation with Harry without being
insulted, taken out of text, or just plain misrepresented? If your
answer is "no" then I suggest you note the thread about the wooden
boats. I tried to participate without any insults or misrepsentations,
and was quickly attacked, my boats, my skills, my knowledge, my
personal hygene even...:0

-----------------------------

I don't believe that all can conduct themselves in a civil manner.

Personally, I just ignore them. It's Usenet.

Believe it or not, I don't have anybody in a "Bozo Bin". I don't even have
a Bozo Bin.
I *have* checked the "block sender" for the jerks selling watches and
jewelry, but that's about it.

Eisboch