hk wrote:
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I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited
finally realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could
see some of the heads they put on pikes.

Vlad? Is that you?

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
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He's old, he's tired, he's repetitive, and he is way, way past his
prime.


So are a couple of people here in rec.boats. :-)

Eisboch

The old f*rts here ain't runnin' for POTUS.


There's a couple I might consider voting for.

Meanwhile, your buddy Obama is making a huge mistake, I think. Back
from vacation, he's running around promising millions of new, union jobs.
He must have forgotten that union jobs make up a very small minority of
employment in the US and most non-union workers and employers want
absolutely nothing to do with them.

He isn't going to garner many votes with this approach.

Eisboch


Yes, indeed...the exploited lower middle income workers in this country
know that Job One is to work for less and with fewer if any bennies so
their corporate masters and stockholders can get richer, while they slide
into oblivion.

I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited finally
realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could see some of
the heads they put on pikes.


That's not the group that Obama is alienating. The majority of jobs in
the US is in small, private companies.
For the most part, a "big" corporate culture doesn't exist and the owners
are typically the major (or only) stockholder.
These companies have a relationship with the employees quite different than
that you complain about and typically have no interest in unions, employees
or employer.

This workforce is the group that Obama will not appeal to with his promises,
and they represent the majority of voters.

Eisboch

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:04:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

This workforce is the group that Obama will not appeal to with his promises,
and they represent the majority of voters.

I still think this whole discussion is mute.

I think the PUMA faction is going to take the nomination away from
BarryO and give it to Hillary.

Just a hunch - nothing to back it up, but reading about BarryO's
capitulation to the PUMA faction, the fact that Clinton will have her
own floor whips at the convention, the rally, the absolutely vicious
email the PUMA faction sent around (and probably more racist than
anything I've seen in the past few years) and that a full 30% of the
PUMA faction saying they will not vote for BarryO under any
circumstances and some noted Democrats awkwardly avoiding BarryO like
the Plague - it's very possible. The later is key - the Democrats in
this state avoided Ned Lamont like the Plague too - and look what
happened to him.

Add that the Clintons aren't being very visible or open about
endorsing BarryO, the new questions about his heritage (as in
registering at a Indonesian Catholic School as a Muslim), the fact
that the Arab world will view him as an apostate, heretic and unclean
making his job harder to deal with them (which is gaining some
momentum among the smarter Democrats).

You know what's even funnier about all this? All this stuff I've just
talked about has come from Democratic sources, blogs, comments and one
forum I read fairly regularly - none of which are exactly ...um...
moderately leftist in nature. :)

It might be actually worth watching.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:04:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

This workforce is the group that Obama will not appeal to with his
promises,
and they represent the majority of voters.

I still think this whole discussion is mute.

I think the PUMA faction is going to take the nomination away from
BarryO and give it to Hillary.

Just a hunch - nothing to back it up, but reading about BarryO's
capitulation to the PUMA faction, the fact that Clinton will have her
own floor whips at the convention, the rally, the absolutely vicious
email the PUMA faction sent around (and probably more racist than
anything I've seen in the past few years) and that a full 30% of the
PUMA faction saying they will not vote for BarryO under any
circumstances and some noted Democrats awkwardly avoiding BarryO like
the Plague - it's very possible. The later is key - the Democrats in
this state avoided Ned Lamont like the Plague too - and look what
happened to him.

Add that the Clintons aren't being very visible or open about
endorsing BarryO, the new questions about his heritage (as in
registering at a Indonesian Catholic School as a Muslim), the fact
that the Arab world will view him as an apostate, heretic and unclean
making his job harder to deal with them (which is gaining some
momentum among the smarter Democrats).

You know what's even funnier about all this? All this stuff I've just
talked about has come from Democratic sources, blogs, comments and one
forum I read fairly regularly - none of which are exactly ...um...
moderately leftist in nature. :)

It might be actually worth watching.




You are scaring me.

If this happens (and I also think it's a possibility) the whole US election
system is going to be turned upside down and may never be the same again.
Any remaining faith in the integrity of the process is going to go out the
window, forever.

We will have the Clintons to thank for this.

Plus, I'll never be able to discuss politics with Mrs.E. again ........

Eisboch

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:53:57 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:45:37 -0400, hk wrote:

McCain on the record...wants to reinstate the draft.

One has to wonder just how many wars McCain wants to start
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Personally I think the draft is a good thing. Stopping it sure didn't
stop stupid wars but it did give us a generation of stupid kids who
would have been better served if they spent a few years in the
military.

The draft gave the entire society a stake in the military, and in
avoiding military adventurism. Rich mens sons served in Viet Nam.

Casady

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:54:09 +0000, Richard Casady wrote:


The draft gave the entire society a stake in the military, and in
avoiding military adventurism. Rich mens sons served in Viet Nam.

Casady

Personally, I keep thinking we are asking too much of too few. These
soldiers are going into a war zone four and five tours. That just isn't
right in my book. As a country, if we are going to war, we should do it
as a country meaning everyone should roll the dice.

wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:54:09 +0000, Richard Casady wrote:


The draft gave the entire society a stake in the military, and in
avoiding military adventurism. Rich mens sons served in Viet Nam.

Casady

Personally, I keep thinking we are asking too much of too few. These
soldiers are going into a war zone four and five tours. That just isn't
right in my book. As a country, if we are going to war, we should do it
as a country meaning everyone should roll the dice.


I think those serving might disagree with you, although your general
justification has merit.
The volunteer military is a much more professional, dedicated and capable
organization than that of the draft period which I was a member of.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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He's old, he's tired, he's repetitive, and he is way, way past his
prime.

So are a couple of people here in rec.boats. :-)

Eisboch
The old f*rts here ain't runnin' for POTUS.

There's a couple I might consider voting for.

Meanwhile, your buddy Obama is making a huge mistake, I think. Back
from vacation, he's running around promising millions of new, union jobs.
He must have forgotten that union jobs make up a very small minority of
employment in the US and most non-union workers and employers want
absolutely nothing to do with them.

He isn't going to garner many votes with this approach.

Eisboch

Yes, indeed...the exploited lower middle income workers in this country
know that Job One is to work for less and with fewer if any bennies so
their corporate masters and stockholders can get richer, while they slide
into oblivion.

I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited finally
realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could see some of
the heads they put on pikes.


That's not the group that Obama is alienating. The majority of jobs in
the US is in small, private companies.
For the most part, a "big" corporate culture doesn't exist and the owners
are typically the major (or only) stockholder.
These companies have a relationship with the employees quite different than
that you complain about and typically have no interest in unions, employees
or employer.

This workforce is the group that Obama will not appeal to with his promises,
and they represent the majority of voters.

Eisboch



I would have thought Obama would walk away with the election. It looks
like he is falling off a cliff, which is why Harry is going crazy with
these cut and paste article.

If he really wanted to make a difference, he would spend time doing
something productive to help, instead of spending all his time in rec.boats.

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:58:45 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of
Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC,
STP. " wrote:

hk wrote:
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I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited
finally realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could
see some of the heads they put on pikes.

Vlad? Is that you?

The head is not where Vlad put the pike, and the victims were alive at
the time. Not really a pike in his case, the proper stake is as high
as the navel, greased, and tapers from four inches at the ground to a
rounded point like half a golf ball. There is a reason that the
Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.

Casady

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:59:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:54:09 +0000, Richard Casady wrote:


The draft gave the entire society a stake in the military, and in
avoiding military adventurism. Rich mens sons served in Viet Nam.

Casady

Personally, I keep thinking we are asking too much of too few. These
soldiers are going into a war zone four and five tours. That just isn't
right in my book. As a country, if we are going to war, we should do it
as a country meaning everyone should roll the dice.

Going into a war zone has a lot of bennies for the soldiers. My daughter's
husband is thinking seriously of changing units just so he *can* go back.
Financially, it's a windfall. They would get a housing allowance, which
they don't get now, his military pay would be tax free, and the company he
works for would make up the difference in his mil pay and civilian pay.

The chances of getting killed or wounded in Iraq are very small and coming
down every day.