On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:33:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



Debs was a acknowledged socialist. Since he and you are in obvious
agreement, are you?

Careful Harry. Trick question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34PF_3sQAjU

--Vic

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:24:19 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I wrote that poorly. I was trying to make the point that our
forefathers envisioned life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not
a government social welfare system.

Eisboch

That works for me.


What we actually have is a government social welfare system for the rich.

And who pays taxes to support this welfare you envision?

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Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
be the mentality these days.
I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch


Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better
to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
Cheney.
So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free
market, capitalistic economy?

Eisboch
The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
that are taxed should be eliminated.

I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
European socialism.


None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs
an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.


I understand.

I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
think you have answered the question, in a round about way.

Eisboch
Naw, I'm neither. Oh, except for "family farms," I think the "inheritance
tax" should be raised substantially. Doing so would raise the capital
gifts to legitimate charities, and it might imbue in the sons and
daughters of the very rich a little motivation.


I am sure you have, but just in case, I would invite you to reread Deb's
views of an ideal society.
It reads very much like a collection of your many posts here on the subject.

Debs was a acknowledged socialist. Since he and you are in obvious
agreement, are you?

Eisboch




An "acknowledged Socialist." I'm shocked! There's an undercurrent of
pejorative in the way you put that out there, almost as if he were a
(shudder) contemporary *Republican*.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:33:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
be the mentality these days.

I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch


Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better
to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
Cheney.
So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free
market, capitalistic economy?

Eisboch
The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
that are taxed should be eliminated.

I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
European socialism.


None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs
an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.



I understand.

I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
think you have answered the question, in a round about way.

Eisboch

Naw, I'm neither. Oh, except for "family farms," I think the "inheritance
tax" should be raised substantially. Doing so would raise the capital
gifts to legitimate charities, and it might imbue in the sons and
daughters of the very rich a little motivation.


I am sure you have, but just in case, I would invite you to reread Deb's
views of an ideal society.
It reads very much like a collection of your many posts here on the subject.

Debs was a acknowledged socialist. Since he and you are in obvious
agreement, are you?

Eisboch


Interesting insight into the relationship Harry has with his kids.

I'd much rather my kids spend my money than the government. 'Raise the
capital gifts to legitimate charities' is a laugh in itself, unless one
consider the government a legitimate charity.

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:33:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Debs was a acknowledged socialist. Since he and you are in obvious
agreement, are you?

Careful Harry. Trick question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34PF_3sQAjU

--Vic



Naw. I'm not "tricked."

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:33:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
be the mentality these days.
I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch


Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better
to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
Cheney.
So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free
market, capitalistic economy?

Eisboch
The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
that are taxed should be eliminated.

I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
European socialism.


None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs
an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.


I understand.

I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
think you have answered the question, in a round about way.

Eisboch
Naw, I'm neither. Oh, except for "family farms," I think the "inheritance
tax" should be raised substantially. Doing so would raise the capital
gifts to legitimate charities, and it might imbue in the sons and
daughters of the very rich a little motivation.

I am sure you have, but just in case, I would invite you to reread Deb's
views of an ideal society.
It reads very much like a collection of your many posts here on the subject.

Debs was a acknowledged socialist. Since he and you are in obvious
agreement, are you?

Eisboch


Interesting insight into the relationship Harry has with his kids.

I'd much rather my kids spend my money than the government. 'Raise the
capital gifts to legitimate charities' is a laugh in itself, unless one
consider the government a legitimate charity.

WAFA doesn't even care if they show up for his funeral?