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A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The ******* by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth

I think he SHOULD have read many of them.

Almost every title on that list is a modern masterpiece or breakthrough
work of importance or both.

I can imagine why the right-wing retardos want to ban To Kill a
Mockingbird.

And the Leftwing Retardos want to ban everything else, particularly
those written by Conservatives.

Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry
Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and
supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the
definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and
that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something
worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions
against.

On the gripping hand, if this is the list I believe it is, it is
the one put out by the Librarians as "banned books" when there was
some objection to having them available for all children.
Unfortunately, too many Librarians seem to be Liberal Art Majors, and
consider "discrimination" to be bad, right next to "critical thought"
and "age appropriate subjects." Fnord.


pyotr
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pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
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Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry
Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and
supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the
definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and
that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something
worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions
against.

You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives have
sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them from
schools.

"Laura Mallory, a mother of four from the Atlanta suburb of Loganville, told
a Georgia Board of Education officer that the books by British author J.K.
Rowling, sought to indoctrinate children as Wiccans, or practitioners of
religious witchcraft..."

=============================

"And here is dear Ashley, a 9 year old, the typical average age reader of
Harry Potter: "I used to believe in what they taught us at Sunday School,"
said Ashley, conjuring up an ancient spell to summon Cerebus, the
three-headed hound of hell. "But the Harry Potter books showed me that magic
is real, something I can learn and use right now, and that the Bible is
nothing but Boring lies." age 9....what is this world coming to?

=============================
"Conservatives Urge Ban on 'Harry Potter' Over Witchcraft, Homosexuality"

By Elena Garcia
Christian Post Reporter

"Roberta Combs, president of the 2.5 million strong Christian Coalition of
America, said she was disappointed that Rowling chose to label Albus
Dumbledore, the headmaster of fictional Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and
Wizardry, as gay.

"It's not a good example for our children, who really like the books and the
movies. I think it encourages homosexuality," said Combs, who has called for
a ban on the seven-book series."

==============================

"In Cedarville, Arkansas, the school board restricted access to the Harry
Potter books unless a student could produce a signed permission slip from
their parents. The board passed the rule because fundamentalist parents
complained after "hearing a series of anti-Potter sermons in 2001 by Mark
Hodges, pastor of the Uniontown Assembly of God Church and a member of the
Cedarville School Board."

==============================

It appears from the evidence that you the conservative/liberal views of it
backwards.


On the gripping hand, if this is the list I believe it is, it is
the one put out by the Librarians as "banned books" when there was
some objection to having them available for all children.
Unfortunately, too many Librarians seem to be Liberal Art Majors, and
consider "discrimination" to be bad, right next to "critical thought"
and "age appropriate subjects." Fnord.

Unfortunately, you seem to be a little nuts.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
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Unfortunately, you seem to be a little nuts.

Just a little?
LOL


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

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Ed Huntress wrote:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
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Unfortunately, you seem to be a little nuts.

Just a little?
LOL

I don't know if it's actually nuts, or just an infectous case of winger
head-and-ass inversion. Or maybe it's something he shares with strabo:
anyone left of center is responsible for everything bad, even the bad things
that come from the right. Hmmm...maybe that's just another way of saying
head-and-ass inversion.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote in
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
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Unfortunately, you seem to be a little nuts.

Just a little?
LOL

I don't know if it's actually nuts, or just an infectous case of
winger head-and-ass inversion. Or maybe it's something he shares with
strabo: anyone left of center is responsible for everything bad, even
the bad things that come from the right. Hmmm...maybe that's just
another way of saying head-and-ass inversion.

Perhaps, but it's still nuts and completely, not just a little.


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

"Ed Huntress" wrote in
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
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Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry
Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and
supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the
definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and
that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something
worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions
against.

You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives
have sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them
from schools.

Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left
wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of Tom
Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for offensive
words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among other
reasons.

I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him
being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal form
of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're burning
legally belongs to you.

Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom of
speech.

--

Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

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"Ed Huntress" wrote in
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
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Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry
Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and
supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the
definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and
that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something
worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions
against.

You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives
have sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them
from schools.

Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left
wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of Tom
Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for offensive
words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among other
reasons.

Pfffhht. You're talking about a short-term thing that was out on the
fringes. Christian conservatives have been trying to ban books for 200
years.


I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him
being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal form
of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're burning
legally belongs to you.

Cliff is against someone burning his own books? Why?


Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom of
speech.

Ideologues are a plague upon civilization.

--
Ed Huntress

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"D Murphy" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
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Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry
Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and
supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism,
the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil,
and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but
something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing
resolutions against.

You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian
conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the
country to ban them from schools.

Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left
wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of
Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for
offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among
other reasons.

Pfffhht. You're talking about a short-term thing that was out on the
fringes. Christian conservatives have been trying to ban books for 200
years.

Try finding those books in a middle school library then. They went from
required reading to banned. As for the length of time they've been at;
that's really not the problem is it?



I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him
being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal
form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're
burning legally belongs to you.

Cliff is against someone burning his own books? Why?

During you hiatus he was in a tizzy over some folks burning Harry Potter
books. I actually read his link. Turns out they bought them, then lit
them on fire. As best as I recall, I got him to say that flag burning is
OK but not book burning. Seems like the same thing to me.



Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom
of speech.

Ideologues are a plague upon civilization.


Maybe. But they really do test where the lines are drawn and they cause
people to think. So it's not all bad. You just can't let them run amok.

--

Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

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"D Murphy" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
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Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry
Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and
supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism,
the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil,
and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but
something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing
resolutions against.

You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian
conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the
country to ban them from schools.

Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left
wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of
Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for
offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among
other reasons.

_Of Mice and Men_ contains vulgarity and profanity and has been excluded
from school libraries in a few places by religious conservatives for that
reason. There was a controversy about the book on those terms in Lynchburg,
VA schools, for example (Jerry Falwell's old hangout), but they decided to
leave the book in the schools.

_Tom Sawyer..._ and _Uncle Tom's Cabin_ both contain the n-word, which has,
indeed, caused them to be pulled from a few school shelves. Not from our
schools, though. I wasn't aware that religious conservatives found the word
acceptable. They do seem to have a problem with _Where's Waldo_ because it
depicts a woman's breast. g


Pfffhht. You're talking about a short-term thing that was out on the
fringes. Christian conservatives have been trying to ban books for 200
years.

Try finding those books in a middle school library then. They went from
required reading to banned.

Really? Do you have this on good authority? I know that my son was assigned
_Of Mice and Men_, but I don't remember when. It might have been his
freshman year of high school.

Those books have all been challenged in many schools, but so has damned near
everything else of any value. Someone can be found to challenge school books
of almost any type. Overall, I think you'll find that the consistent and
insistent objections have come from the right, especially from religious
conservatives, who find so much of contemporary culture objectionable. But a
challenge doesn't often result in a book being pulled.

As for the length of time they've been at;
that's really not the problem is it?

Well, if the wave of objections from the left didn't last (and I don't think
it did; it seemed to reach a high point a decade or more ago, when PC was in
full flower), while the objections from the right have been steady and
unrelenting, then, yes, I think that is part of the problem.



I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him
being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal
form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're
burning legally belongs to you.

Cliff is against someone burning his own books? Why?

During you hiatus he was in a tizzy over some folks burning Harry Potter
books. I actually read his link. Turns out they bought them, then lit
them on fire. As best as I recall, I got him to say that flag burning is
OK but not book burning. Seems like the same thing to me.

In principle, I'd agree. If someone wants to burn their own books for some
symbolic reason, they're probably fools, but that's their prerogative.


Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom
of speech.

Ideologues are a plague upon civilization.


Maybe. But they really do test where the lines are drawn and they cause
people to think. So it's not all bad. You just can't let them run amok.

Right. They're OK to define the endpoints of an issue. That's the extent of
their usefulness.

--
Ed Huntress

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"Ed Huntress" wrote in
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
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Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry
Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and
supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism,
the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil,
and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but
something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing
resolutions against.

You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian
conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the
country to ban them from schools.

Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left
wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of
Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for
offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among
other reasons.

Pfffhht. You're talking about a short-term thing that was out on the
fringes. Christian conservatives have been trying to ban books for 200
years.

Try finding those books in a middle school library then.

I guess you've never looked though the big words
may be above the vocabulary level of wingers in
"middle school".

They went from
required reading to banned.

When were they required reading?
And what school library would have enough copies for
all the students?

As for the length of time they've been at;
that's really not the problem is it?

They persist.



I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him
being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal
form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're
burning legally belongs to you.

Cliff is against someone burning his own books? Why?

During you hiatus he was in a tizzy over some folks burning Harry Potter
books. I actually read his link. Turns out they bought them, then lit
them on fire.

They were promoting sales of the books?

As best as I recall, I got him to say that flag burning is
OK but not book burning. Seems like the same thing to me.

You seem confused.


Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom
of speech.

Ideologues are a plague upon civilization.


Maybe. But they really do test where the lines are drawn and they cause
people to think.

Not wingers.

So it's not all bad. You just can't let them run amok.

Like gumme, the cheese, ....
--
Cliff