On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote:





JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote:
BAR wrote:
I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's
money and pay it back over time with cheaper money.
I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with
your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you
found a 0% deal.
What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some!
From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly
higher) while car and boat loans were below that.
Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't.
This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that
would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for
adding another energy hog conventional water heater.
On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing.
they have a filter that plugs up easily.
You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking
about.

I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the
heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the
problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling.

Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature
during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F.

Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and
found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of
installing a tanklesss system.

I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon
unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of
supply for 4 showers.

Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~
$20-$25, not $35.

How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a
month, other than the general info on the label?

Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with
him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.

I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or
cost to install a tankless system.

The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us
but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your
actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why?
Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water
heater. Here, learn something:

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume.../mytopic=12820

Which states in part:

For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water
heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage
tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes
that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve
even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water
heater at each hot water outlet.

On Oct 6, 11:24*am, wrote:
On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote:



On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote:

JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote:
BAR wrote:
I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's
money and pay it back over time with cheaper money.
I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with
your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you
found a 0% deal.
What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some!
From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly
higher) while car and boat loans were below that.
Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't.
This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that
would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for
adding another energy hog conventional water heater.
On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing.
they have a filter that plugs up easily.
You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking
about.

I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the
heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the
problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling.

Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature
during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F.

Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and
found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of
installing a tanklesss system.

I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon
unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of
supply for 4 showers.

Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~
$20-$25, not $35.

How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a
month, other than the general info on the label?

Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with
him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.

I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or
cost to install a tankless system.

The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us
but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your
actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why?
Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water
heater. Here, learn something:

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c...

Which states in part:

For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water
heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage
tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes
that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve
even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water
heater at each hot water outlet.

As usual, you don't have a clue.

Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. Don't you
have a daytime job?

JimH wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:24 am, wrote:
On Oct 5, 7:26 pm, JimH wrote:



On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote:
BAR wrote:
I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's
money and pay it back over time with cheaper money.
I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with
your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you
found a 0% deal.
What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some!
From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly
higher) while car and boat loans were below that.
Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't.
This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that
would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for
adding another energy hog conventional water heater.
On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing.
they have a filter that plugs up easily.
You are correct. As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking
about.
I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the
heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the
problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling.
Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature
during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F.
Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and
found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of
installing a tanklesss system.
I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon
unit for $750. It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of
supply for 4 showers.
Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~
$20-$25, not $35.
How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a
month, other than the general info on the label?
Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with
him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.
I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. Not worth the effort or
cost to install a tankless system.
The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us
but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your
actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why?
Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water
heater. Here, learn something:

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c...

Which states in part:

For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water
heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage
tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes
that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve
even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water
heater at each hot water outlet.

As usual, you don't have a clue.

Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. Don't you
have a daytime job?


Bingo! Who the hell would hire a loser like Loogy?

On Oct 6, 11:36*am, JimH wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:24*am, wrote:





On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote:

On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote:

JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote:
BAR wrote:
I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's
money and pay it back over time with cheaper money.
I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with
your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you
found a 0% deal.
What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some!
From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly
higher) while car and boat loans were below that.
Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't.
This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that
would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for
adding another energy hog conventional water heater.
On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing.
they have a filter that plugs up easily.
You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking
about.

I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the
heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the
problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling.

Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature
during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F.

Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and
found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of
installing a tanklesss system.

I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon
unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of
supply for 4 showers.

Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~
$20-$25, not $35.

How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a
month, other than the general info on the label?

Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with
him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.

I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or
cost to install a tankless system.

The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us
but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your
actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why?
Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water
heater. Here, learn something:

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c...

Which states in part:

For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water
heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage
tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes
that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve
even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water
heater at each hot water outlet.

As usual, you don't have a clue.

Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you
have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the
fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more
with a tankless?

On Oct 6, 1:06*pm, wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:36*am, JimH wrote:



On Oct 6, 11:24*am, wrote:

On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote:

On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote:

JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote:
BAR wrote:
I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's
money and pay it back over time with cheaper money.
I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with
your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you
found a 0% deal.
What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some!
From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly
higher) while car and boat loans were below that.
Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't..
This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that
would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for
adding another energy hog conventional water heater.
On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing.
they have a filter that plugs up easily.
You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking
about.

I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the
heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the
problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling.

Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature
during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F.

Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and
found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of
installing a tanklesss system.

I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon
unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of
supply for 4 showers.

Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~
$20-$25, not $35.

How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a
month, other than the general info on the label?

Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with
him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.

I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or
cost to install a tankless system.

The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us
but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your
actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why?
Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water
heater. Here, learn something:

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c....

Which states in part:

For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water
heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage
tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes
that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve
even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water
heater at each hot water outlet.

As usual, you don't have a clue.

Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you
have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the
fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more
with a tankless?

Your assignment next weekend is to go out and find the clue you don't
have,then make a visit to the wizard to get a brain.

On Oct 6, 1:09*pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 6, 1:06*pm, wrote:





On Oct 6, 11:36*am, JimH wrote:

On Oct 6, 11:24*am, wrote:

On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote:

On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote:

JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote:
BAR wrote:
I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's
money and pay it back over time with cheaper money.
I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with
your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you
found a 0% deal.
What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some!
From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly
higher) while car and boat loans were below that.
Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't.
This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that
would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for
adding another energy hog conventional water heater.
On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing.
they have a filter that plugs up easily.
You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking
about.

I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the
heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the
problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling.

Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature
during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F.

Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and
found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of
installing a tanklesss system.

I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon
unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of
supply for 4 showers.

Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~
$20-$25, not $35.

How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a
month, other than the general info on the label?

Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with
him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.

I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or
cost to install a tankless system.

The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us
but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your
actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why?
Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water
heater. Here, learn something:

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c...

Which states in part:

For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water
heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage
tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes
that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve
even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water
heater at each hot water outlet.

As usual, you don't have a clue.

Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you
have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the
fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more
with a tankless?

Your assignment next weekend is to go out and find the clue you don't
have,then make a visit to the wizard to get a brain.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's cute, you're taking a page right from Harry. When found out to
be dead wrong, and not a leg to stand on, start insulting and name
calling.

On Oct 6, 11:37*am, Boater wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:24 am, wrote:
On Oct 5, 7:26 pm, JimH wrote:

On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote:
BAR wrote:
I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's
money and pay it back over time with cheaper money.
I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with
your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you
found a 0% deal.
What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some!
From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly
higher) while car and boat loans were below that.
Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't.
This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that
would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for
adding another energy hog conventional water heater.
On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing.
they have a filter that plugs up easily.
You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking
about.
I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the
heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the
problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling.
Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature
during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F.
Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and
found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of
installing a tanklesss system.
I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon
unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of
supply for 4 showers.
Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~
$20-$25, not $35.
How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a
month, other than the general info on the label?
Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with
him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.
I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or
cost to install a tankless system.
The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us
but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your
actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why?
Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water
heater. Here, learn something:

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c....

Which states in part:

For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water
heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage
tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes
that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve
even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water
heater at each hot water outlet.

As usual, you don't have a clue.

Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you
have a daytime job?

Bingo! *Who the hell would hire a loser like Loogy?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This from the person that has to make up wild lies about every single
aspect of his sorry life. Hey, does your wife know that you aren't
comfortable with her station in life so you made up lies about her
career? What would your father think of the fact that you need to make
up lies about him?

On Oct 6, 1:24*pm, wrote:
On Oct 6, 1:09*pm, JimH wrote:



On Oct 6, 1:06*pm, wrote:

On Oct 6, 11:36*am, JimH wrote:

On Oct 6, 11:24*am, wrote:

On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote:

On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote:

JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote:
BAR wrote:
I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's
money and pay it back over time with cheaper money.
I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with
your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you
found a 0% deal.
What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some!
From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly
higher) while car and boat loans were below that.
Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't.
This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that
would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for
adding another energy hog conventional water heater.
On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing.
they have a filter that plugs up easily.
You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking
about.

I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the
heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the
problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling.

Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature
during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F.

Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and
found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of
installing a tanklesss system.

I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon
unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of
supply for 4 showers.

Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~
$20-$25, not $35.

How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a
month, other than the general info on the label?

Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with
him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.

I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or
cost to install a tankless system.

The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us
but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your
actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why?
Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water
heater. Here, learn something:

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c...

Which states in part:

For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water
heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage
tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes
that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve
even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water
heater at each hot water outlet.

As usual, you don't have a clue.

Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you
have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the
fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more
with a tankless?

Your assignment next weekend is to go out and find the clue you don't
have,then make a visit to the wizard to get a brain.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's cute, you're taking a page right from Harry. When found out to
be dead wrong, and not a leg to stand on, start insulting and name
calling.

Go pick a fight with someone else. That is your sole purpose here.
Why you are such a nasty, negative little guy is beyond me.

As a start I suggest you start spending your time to actually working
instead of posting here all day and night.

See ya.

On Oct 6, 1:30*pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 6, 1:24*pm, wrote:





On Oct 6, 1:09*pm, JimH wrote:

On Oct 6, 1:06*pm, wrote:

On Oct 6, 11:36*am, JimH wrote:

On Oct 6, 11:24*am, wrote:

On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote:

On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote:

JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote:
BAR wrote:
I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's
money and pay it back over time with cheaper money.
I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with
your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you
found a 0% deal.
What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some!
From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly
higher) while car and boat loans were below that.
Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't.
This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that
would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for
adding another energy hog conventional water heater.
On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing.
they have a filter that plugs up easily.
You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking
about.

I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the
heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the
problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling.

Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature
during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F.

Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and
found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of
installing a tanklesss system.

I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon
unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of
supply for 4 showers.

Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month.......should be ~
$20-$25, not $35.

How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a
month, other than the general info on the label?

Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with
him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts..

I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or
cost to install a tankless system.

The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us
but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text -

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Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your
actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why?
Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water
heater. Here, learn something:

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c...

Which states in part:

For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water
heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage
tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes
that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve
even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water
heater at each hot water outlet.

As usual, you don't have a clue.

Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you
have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text -

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I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the
fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more
with a tankless?

Your assignment next weekend is to go out and find the clue you don't
have,then make a visit to the wizard to get a brain.- Hide quoted text -

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That's cute, you're taking a page right from Harry. When found out to
be dead wrong, and not a leg to stand on, start insulting and name
calling.

Go pick a fight with someone else. *That is your sole purpose here.
Why you are such a nasty, negative little guy is beyond me.

As a start I suggest you start spending your time to actually working
instead of posting here all day and night.

See ya.- Hide quoted text -

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Negative? It's not my fault you are wrong about the tankless water
heater. Do you still contend that if you use more water your savings
would be greater?

wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:
wrote in message
....
On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote:
BAR wrote:
I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's
money and pay it back over time with cheaper money.
I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with
your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you
found a 0% deal.
What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some!
From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly
higher) while car and boat loans were below that.
Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't.
This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that
would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for
adding another energy hog conventional water heater.
On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing.
they have a filter that plugs up easily.
You are correct. As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking
about.
I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the
heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the
problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling.
Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature
during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F.
Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and
found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of
installing a tanklesss system.
I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon
unit for $750. It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of
supply for 4 showers.
Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~
$20-$25, not $35.
How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a
month, other than the general info on the label?

Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with
him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BTU's dumbass.

We're not on the metric system. This is America.