[Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
Gunner Asch reported Elvis on Mon, 29
Sep 2008 01:07:24 -0700 in misc.survivalism :

Article. VI.

---; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any
Office or public Trust under the United States.

Yes and? This has what relation to the subject? It simply means that
the State cant disqualify one for holding a Religious Belief. In
fact..it means that religion is allowed by public office holders.

Constitutionally, it matters not whether my representative
believes in one god or twenty - or none at all. Politically it might,
and personally it might, but those re different issues.

article i

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

So Congress cant make a State Religon, or stop anyone else from
exercising their religious views. But where is the forbidding that
religion and office holders cant go hand in hand? It simply means
that Office holders can be religious and exercise their beliefs
without interference.

Democrats can't seem to grasp the nuance difference between Church
and State as organizations, and religion and politics as personal
activities. I will admit, it took quite a few centuries to grasp that
distinction (and many bad experiences with Imperial interference -
most notably Peter the Great's abolition of the independent Patriarch,
making it a Civil Service position.)
But Democrats / Progressives /Secularists seem to be unaware of
that history, and wish to restore the idea that all is within the
realm of government, that the government defines that within which the
subject lives and moves and has his being. E.G. under the pagan Roman
emperors it was "the genius of the Emperor" which was the linchpin
holding it all together. Constantine and Justinian failed to make the
paradigm shift and "baptized" this natural theocracy with Christian
images, replacing the "Genus of the Emperor" with "Christ Enthroned in
Heaven" and the Emperor managing things here for Him.
Sigh, in that way of thinking, Heresy is Treason (and Treason is
Heresy.) - and the Democrats have returned to that mode of thought,
particularly with regards to their new prophet and Messiah.

Trying to get back on point: Utah is forbidden by current
Constitutional interpretation from establishing the LDS as the state
Church, or from requiring office holders to belong to a Stake. But
that doesn't mean in Jepthah, you've got a snowball's chance in Yuma
of getting elected dogcatcher if you're not.
And while it shocks the daylights out of Democrats to discover
that there really are Christians who actually believe the traditional
interpretations being elected to office, that doesn't mean those
elected officials are going to blindly pass laws outlawing all night
TV and driving on Sundays.
Unlike Secularist Democrats who believe that Al Gore speaks the
truth when he prophesies the end of the world through Global Warming,
a Global Warming caused by humanities Environmental Sins. They know
that it is "Science" which proves that they need to mandate reducing
carbon dioxide production to the levels of 1934. The debate has been
settled, and any who doubt them are heretics.

But I still dont see any Seperation of Church and State as proclaimed
by the OP.

They find it in the emanations of the penumbras of the shadows
cast by Al Gore, Jesse Jackson and the One.


tschus
pyotr

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