On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:39:05 -0400, Jim wrote:

He should have been able
to mop the floor with her, but he didn't even come close to doing that.

As if that was his intent? If Biden was perceived as beating up on a
"poor little hockey mom", America might not be feeling as good about him
today. Palin did much better than expected, but then, IMHO, so did
Biden. If you perceive the debates as a draw, I would suggest a draw
goes to the leaders, Obama/Biden.

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On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 05:59:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 3, 7:39 am, "Jim" wrote:
"Tom G" wrote in message

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"Boater" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
......hits it out of the park with bases loaded.
Way to go Sarah!
You mean, by saying she wasn't going to answer the questions that were
being asked?
Palin didn't do herself any more damage, but I'd bet polls show the
undecided voters thought Biden won handily.
I guess I misunderstood her...I took it that she meant that she wasn't
going to fall flat on her face by answering the questions in the way her
critics and the media expected...you know like on SNL or with Katie
Couric. She was going to be herself, not like her handlers forced her to
be in those previous interviews. I thought Biden, like previous men she's
debated (in Alaska) underestimated her a little. Of course, he was in a
tight spot...men just don't attack women in polite society and get away
with it.
Tom G.
I called it pretty much a draw, which is pretty damn good for a gal going up
against a 35 year veteran in congress. He should have been able to mop the
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Agreed.

Even with the poll stating that they thought Biden did better in the
debate, some 84% stated that Palin did better than they expected.


I think the number who think she did better than they expected is the
number who expected her to completely melt down, and run off the stage
in tears.

As long as she remained standing upright, she did better than
expected.


Indeed.

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On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:39:05 -0400, Jim wrote:

He should have been able
to mop the floor with her, but he didn't even come close to doing that.

As if that was his intent? If Biden was perceived as beating up on a
"poor little hockey mom", America might not be feeling as good about him
today. Palin did much better than expected, but then, IMHO, so did
Biden. If you perceive the debates as a draw, I would suggest a draw
goes to the leaders, Obama/Biden.


Apparently, if you are a member of the GOP base, the fact that Palin
didn't fall off the stage is enough to claim victory. Biden did
precisely what he was supposed to do...he displayed his knowledge and
depth of knowledge, he pounded McCain into the ground on at least a
handful of serious issues, and he was gracious to his opponent. Palin
look as much out of her league as always, regurgitating her programmed
talking points.

At the moment, Obama still has a just out of the margin of error lead in
most of the national polls, and is significantly ahead in far more
important electoral vote count derived from the state-by-state polls. If
that is still true on Tuesday before the next debate between the ticket
leaders, then the Palin effect will have been...zip.

On Oct 3, 10:39*am, Tim wrote:
On Oct 3, 9:11*am, "mmc" wrote:





wrote in message

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On Oct 3, 8:59 am, Tim wrote:

On Oct 3, 7:39 am, "Jim" wrote:

"Tom G" wrote in message

...

"Boater" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
......hits it out of the park with bases loaded.

Way to go Sarah!

You mean, by saying she wasn't going to answer the questions that
were
being asked?

Palin didn't do herself any more damage, but I'd bet polls show the
undecided voters thought Biden won handily.

I guess I misunderstood her...I took it that she meant that she wasn't
going to fall flat on her face by answering the questions in the way
her
critics and the media expected...you know like on SNL or with Katie
Couric. She was going to be herself, not like her handlers forced her
to
be in those previous interviews. I thought Biden, like previous men
she's
debated (in Alaska) underestimated her a little. Of course, he was in
a
tight spot...men just don't attack women in polite society and get
away
with it.

Tom G.

I called it pretty much a draw, which is pretty damn good for a gal
going up
against a 35 year veteran in congress. He should have been able to mop
the
floor with her, but he didn't even come close to doing that.- Hide
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Agreed.

Even with the poll stating that they thought Biden did better in the
debate, some 84% stated that Palin did better than they expected.

For a new comer I thought she did pretty good.- Hide quoted text -

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Tim, you can't say that kind of stuff here. You will only get the
regulars calling names and dismissing you like they do with half the
country. And be sure not to ask any direct questions...

If asked any direct questions on which you haven't a friggin clue, just take
a Palin approach and ramble aimlessly about being a mom, mayor, governor, an
energy genius, best recipe for potato salad, etc. like she did with 90% of
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With the exception of Gov. Mayor, and Potato Salad, you could say the
same thing about Obama.

BTW, You show me what good he's done for my (and his) State of
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Forget it Tim. They are not here to discuss any issues. They really
can't, but they will insult and dismiss you as you don't know how to
order a latte'.

On Oct 3, 10:45*am, Tim wrote:
On Oct 3, 9:40*am, wrote:





On Oct 3, 10:34*am, Tim wrote:

On Oct 3, 8:02*am, wrote:

On Oct 3, 8:59*am, Tim wrote:

On Oct 3, 7:39*am, "Jim" wrote:

"Tom G" wrote in message

...

"Boater" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
......hits it out of the park with bases loaded.

Way to go Sarah!

You mean, by saying she wasn't going to answer the questions that were
being asked?

Palin didn't do herself any more damage, but I'd bet polls show the
undecided voters thought Biden won handily.

I guess I misunderstood her...I took it that she meant that she wasn't
going to fall flat on her face by answering the questions in the way her
critics and the media expected...you know like on SNL or with Katie
Couric. *She was going to be herself, not like her handlers forced her to
be in those previous interviews. *I thought Biden, like previous men she's
debated (in Alaska) underestimated her a little. *Of course, he was in a
tight spot...men just don't attack women in polite society and get away
with it.

Tom G.

I called it pretty much a draw, which is pretty damn good for a gal going up
against a 35 year veteran in congress. He should have been able to mop the
floor with her, but he didn't even come close to doing that.- Hide quoted text -

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Agreed.

*Even with the poll stating that they thought Biden did better in the
debate, some 84% stated that Palin did better than they expected.

For a new comer I thought she did pretty good.- Hide quoted text -

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Tim, you can't say that kind of stuff here. You will only get the
regulars calling names and dismissing you like they do with half the
country. And be sure not to ask any direct questions...- Hide quoted text -

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Well, Scott.

I'm actually hoping she'll be elected because it might bring back the
"Northern Exposure" reruns.

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Yes, Northern Exposure was one of the very few fiction shows I've ever
liked and watched. That show was done with class, and at times it was
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Absolutely!

I didn't really care for it much when it first came out, but the more
I watched it, the better it was.

Hilarious, and obviously well done.

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Yeah, ALL of the characters were way out there! Even the little old
lady that ran the store!

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Forget it Tim. They are not here to discuss any issues. They really
can't, but they will insult and dismiss you as you don't know how to
order a latte'.


You've not provided one post in which you discussed any serious issue
cogently and in a civil manner. Therefore, there is no reason to engage
you and every reason to dismiss you.

Learn how to behave and demonstrate it, and I will consider engaging you
in an issues debate, one issue at a time. Copying and pasting not allowed.

Your deal.

On Oct 3, 12:00*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:

Forget it Tim. They are not here to discuss any issues. They really
can't, but they will insult and dismiss you as you don't know how to
order a latte'.

You've not provided one post in which you discussed any serious issue
cogently and in a civil manner. Therefore, there is no reason to engage
you and every reason to dismiss you.

Learn how to behave and demonstrate it, and I will consider engaging you
in an issues debate, one issue at a time. Copying and pasting not allowed..

Your deal.

No you won't. I gave you three simple questions last night, in several
forms, and no insults. Come back when you have informed yourself on
some of the issues..

On Oct 3, 12:00*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:

Forget it Tim. They are not here to discuss any issues. They really
can't, but they will insult and dismiss you as you don't know how to
order a latte'.

You've not provided one post in which you discussed any serious issue
cogently and in a civil manner. Therefore, there is no reason to engage
you and every reason to dismiss you.

Learn how to behave and demonstrate it, and I will consider engaging you
in an issues debate, one issue at a time. Copying and pasting not allowed..

Your deal.

Here, duck these questions. And if you don't understand them tell me
which parts you don't understand and maybe someone can help you out:

My questions were clear and consice.
Do you know what the "Fairness Doctrine" is?
Do you support it and why?
Are you familiar with the voter privacy union bill?
Do you support it and why?
If you can't answer or understand those questions, you have no
business trying to come across as informed, no matter how many
insults
and deflections you throw at me

Try again.

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On Oct 3, 12:00 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:

Forget it Tim. They are not here to discuss any issues. They really
can't, but they will insult and dismiss you as you don't know how to
order a latte'.
You've not provided one post in which you discussed any serious issue
cogently and in a civil manner. Therefore, there is no reason to engage
you and every reason to dismiss you.

Learn how to behave and demonstrate it, and I will consider engaging you
in an issues debate, one issue at a time. Copying and pasting not allowed.

Your deal.

No you won't. I gave you three simple questions last night, in several
forms, and no insults. Come back when you have informed yourself on
some of the issues..


One more time...I'm not going to engage you in "debate" until you
demonstrate you can discuss issues cogently and in a civil manner.

I guarantee you I know more about the "issues" you brought up than you
do, and I know more about them without having to google up the answers
or listen to reich-wing radio.

In fact, I have a 300+ page printed notebook on the EFCA that I've read,
cover to cover.

I'm not sure why any of the issues you mentioned are on your hot plate.
They certainly don't affect you.

On Oct 3, 12:15*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 3, 12:00 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:

Forget it Tim. They are not here to discuss any issues. They really
can't, but they will insult and dismiss you as you don't know how to
order a latte'.
You've not provided one post in which you discussed any serious issue
cogently and in a civil manner. Therefore, there is no reason to engage
you and every reason to dismiss you.

Learn how to behave and demonstrate it, and I will consider engaging you
in an issues debate, one issue at a time. Copying and pasting not allowed.

Your deal.

No you won't. I gave you three simple questions last night, in several
forms, and no insults. Come back when you have informed yourself on
some of the issues..

One more time...I'm not going to engage you in "debate" until you
demonstrate you can discuss issues cogently and in a civil manner.

I guarantee you I know more about the "issues" you brought up than you
do, and I know more about them without having to google up the answers
or listen to reich-wing radio.

In fact, I have a 300+ page printed notebook on the EFCA that I've read,
cover to cover.

I'm not sure why any of the issues you mentioned are on your hot plate.
They certainly don't affect you.- Hide quoted text -

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Keep saying it, maybe you can convince yourself. The fact is, you
can't keep up in any real debate, you just aren't smart enough...