On 17 Oct 2008 23:35:25 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
:

On 17 Oct 2008 21:20:12 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
:

On 17 Oct 2008 07:14:57 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

McCain and Obama's plans are identical in that neither actually cuts
taxes,

It sounds like Obama may try to control spending.
Start there.

You're not familiar with his platform then. He has never claimed
anything of the sort. Just the opposite in fact.

His platform reduces spending compared to McSame's.

Utter nonsense. Neither plan reduces spending at all. They both increase
deficit spending.

Check your facts.

Obama says he's giving a tax cut to the poorest
Americans. How?

Check your facts.

They don't pay any taxes. What he does is mail them a
check. That's not a tax cut, it's welfare.

Check your facts.

Just not enough yet IMHO.

If you want to spend on wars & lies then raise the taxes
on those that can best afford to pay for the wars & lies
(who seem to support them most anyway).

There's no way of knowing whether that will in fact happen or not.

Reread my point.

Get us out of debt as a first priority!!

Unfortunately that's not one of the two choices.

Clearly it's never been a repub one.
Look at what they do, not what they say.
Wingers lie.

Yeah right.

Check your facts.

Just look at the economic miracle that Illinois Democrats
including Obama brought to their own home state when they took the
majority.

Was this after those repubs went to jail?

By the time the "hopeful changer" ran for the US Senate,
Illinois had the highest state budget deficit in the country.

The repubs had cut their taxes & increased spending?
More trickle-down, right?

It has only
gotten worse. Not to mention the record deficits in Cook county and
Chicago. All thanks to Obama's corrupt pals Daley, Stroger, and
Blagojevich.

Offer to pay taxes & hire people at a decent wage.

He had time to write two memoirs but never wrote any legislation unless
it enriched his friends and supporters. Everything else was handed to him
by Emil Jones for him to put his name on to build his resume for a run at
the US Senate. He's a bag of fluff whose beholden to the machine. You'll
see.

You do love the winger sites.

Meanwhile, I wonder what Rezko is whispering to the feds? Blago is
certainly in deep trouble. I wonder who else?

Probably a pile of repubs.
--
Cliff

Cliff wrote in
:

On 17 Oct 2008 23:35:25 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
m:

On 17 Oct 2008 21:20:12 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
m:

On 17 Oct 2008 07:14:57 GMT, D Murphy
wrote:

McCain and Obama's plans are identical in that neither actually
cuts taxes,

It sounds like Obama may try to control spending.
Start there.

You're not familiar with his platform then. He has never claimed
anything of the sort. Just the opposite in fact.

His platform reduces spending compared to McSame's.

Utter nonsense. Neither plan reduces spending at all. They both
increase deficit spending.

Check your facts.

I did.


Obama says he's giving a tax cut to the poorest
Americans. How?

Check your facts.

No need. You can't cut ones taxes if they pay none.


They don't pay any taxes. What he does is mail them a
check. That's not a tax cut, it's welfare.

Check your facts.

This is right on his web site.


Just not enough yet IMHO.

If you want to spend on wars & lies then raise the taxes
on those that can best afford to pay for the wars & lies
(who seem to support them most anyway).

There's no way of knowing whether that will in fact happen or not.

Reread my point.

Get us out of debt as a first priority!!

Unfortunately that's not one of the two choices.

Clearly it's never been a repub one.
Look at what they do, not what they say.
Wingers lie.

Yeah right.

Check your facts.

Just look at the economic miracle that Illinois Democrats
including Obama brought to their own home state when they took the
majority.

Was this after those repubs went to jail?

It was one. As compared with two democrats per year on average since 1973.


By the time the "hopeful changer" ran for the US Senate,
Illinois had the highest state budget deficit in the country.

The repubs had cut their taxes & increased spending?
More trickle-down, right?

Uh no. It was Obama's pal Rod "the unreformer" Blagojevich.


It has only
gotten worse. Not to mention the record deficits in Cook county and
Chicago. All thanks to Obama's corrupt pals Daley, Stroger, and
Blagojevich.

Offer to pay taxes & hire people at a decent wage.

They just had to pay out millions to people who were wrongfully fired from
their jobs in order to make way for politically connected hires.


He had time to write two memoirs but never wrote any legislation
unless it enriched his friends and supporters. Everything else was
handed to him by Emil Jones for him to put his name on to build his
resume for a run at the US Senate. He's a bag of fluff whose beholden
to the machine. You'll see.

You do love the winger sites.

Meanwhile, I wonder what Rezko is whispering to the feds? Blago is
certainly in deep trouble. I wonder who else?

Probably a pile of repubs.

Doubtful.

[Earlier this month, the Sun-Times reported about FBI agents interviewing
people who worked on a Blagojevich home rehab project that was overseen by
a Rezko company. Rezko was convicted in June of wide-ranging fraud
involving Blagojevich's administration, and prosecutors have disclosed
they're in talks with Rezko about becoming a federal witness.

Sources who spoke to the Sun-Times on condition of anonymity said agents
had asked questions about Patti Blagojevich's real estate dealings with
Rezko. The work got under way in July 2003 -- about six months after the
governor began accepting Rezko's recommendations to place people on state
boards and about eight months after Patti Blagojevich landed a $47,000
commission from a Rezko land deal.

Tiran and companies he's associated with gave $20,525 to the governor's
campaign fund from March 2001 to August 2006.

A business partner of Tiran's, Beny Garneata, was among 15 people charged
in May in a federal bribery probe of the city's Buildings and Zoning
departments. Garneata is fighting those charges, which aren't connected to
his business relationship with Tiran.

In 2006, Tiran paid $150,000 to settle two civil lawsuits filed by the city
of Chicago that alleged he illegally built condominium units in the Logan
Square neighborhood.]

--

Dan

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On 19 Oct 2008 04:41:49 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
:

On 17 Oct 2008 23:35:25 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
:

On 17 Oct 2008 21:20:12 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
om:

On 17 Oct 2008 07:14:57 GMT, D Murphy
wrote:

McCain and Obama's plans are identical in that neither actually
cuts taxes,

It sounds like Obama may try to control spending.
Start there.

You're not familiar with his platform then. He has never claimed
anything of the sort. Just the opposite in fact.

His platform reduces spending compared to McSame's.

Utter nonsense. Neither plan reduces spending at all. They both
increase deficit spending.

Check your facts.

I did.

Nope.


Obama says he's giving a tax cut to the poorest
Americans. How?

Check your facts.

No need. You can't cut ones taxes if they pay none.

Which is not what is at issue.


They don't pay any taxes. What he does is mail them a
check. That's not a tax cut, it's welfare.

Check your facts.

This is right on his web site.

You seem confused.

Just not enough yet IMHO.

If you want to spend on wars & lies then raise the taxes
on those that can best afford to pay for the wars & lies
(who seem to support them most anyway).

There's no way of knowing whether that will in fact happen or not.

Reread my point.

Get us out of debt as a first priority!!

Unfortunately that's not one of the two choices.

Clearly it's never been a repub one.
Look at what they do, not what they say.
Wingers lie.

Yeah right.

Check your facts.

Just look at the economic miracle that Illinois Democrats
including Obama brought to their own home state when they took the
majority.

Was this after those repubs went to jail?

It was one. As compared with two democrats per year on average since 1973.

Get them all, if crooked.
But how many repubs can we afford to jail?


By the time the "hopeful changer" ran for the US Senate,
Illinois had the highest state budget deficit in the country.

The repubs had cut their taxes & increased spending?
More trickle-down, right?

Uh no. It was Obama's pal Rod "the unreformer" Blagojevich.

Popular guy.. doing what you want done ... free money ..
sort of welfare for the rich ...

It has only
gotten worse. Not to mention the record deficits in Cook county and
Chicago. All thanks to Obama's corrupt pals Daley, Stroger, and
Blagojevich.

Offer to pay taxes & hire people at a decent wage.

They just had to pay out millions to people who were wrongfully fired from
their jobs in order to make way for politically connected hires.

Bushco actually paid?

He had time to write two memoirs but never wrote any legislation
unless it enriched his friends and supporters. Everything else was
handed to him by Emil Jones for him to put his name on to build his
resume for a run at the US Senate. He's a bag of fluff whose beholden
to the machine. You'll see.

You do love the winger sites.

Meanwhile, I wonder what Rezko is whispering to the feds? Blago is
certainly in deep trouble. I wonder who else?

Probably a pile of repubs.

Doubtful.

Based on history ....

[Earlier this month, the Sun-Times reported about FBI agents interviewing
people who worked on a Blagojevich home rehab project that was overseen by
a Rezko company. Rezko was convicted in June of wide-ranging fraud
involving Blagojevich's administration, and prosecutors have disclosed
they're in talks with Rezko about becoming a federal witness.

Sources who spoke to the Sun-Times on condition of anonymity said agents
had asked questions about Patti Blagojevich's real estate dealings with
Rezko. The work got under way in July 2003 -- about six months after the
governor began accepting Rezko's recommendations to place people on state
boards and about eight months after Patti Blagojevich landed a $47,000
commission from a Rezko land deal.

Tiran and companies he's associated with gave $20,525 to the governor's
campaign fund from March 2001 to August 2006.

And bushco got how much from bankers & brokers & defense
contractors & drug firms & insurance firms & etc.?

A business partner of Tiran's, Beny Garneata, was among 15 people charged
in May in a federal bribery probe of the city's Buildings and Zoning
departments. Garneata is fighting those charges, which aren't connected to
his business relationship with Tiran.

In 2006, Tiran paid $150,000 to settle two civil lawsuits filed by the city
of Chicago that alleged he illegally built condominium units in the Logan
Square neighborhood.]

So no charges or convictions.
BTW, Who controls the FBI these days?
--
Cliff

Cliff wrote in
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On 19 Oct 2008 04:41:49 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
m:

On 17 Oct 2008 23:35:25 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
m:

On 17 Oct 2008 21:20:12 GMT, D Murphy
wrote:

Cliff wrote in
news:6rlhf4d4t255mkccdrpeb7bag63rlq877j@4ax. com:

On 17 Oct 2008 07:14:57 GMT, D Murphy
wrote:

McCain and Obama's plans are identical in that neither actually
cuts taxes,

It sounds like Obama may try to control spending.
Start there.

You're not familiar with his platform then. He has never claimed
anything of the sort. Just the opposite in fact.

His platform reduces spending compared to McSame's.

Utter nonsense. Neither plan reduces spending at all. They both
increase deficit spending.

Check your facts.

I did.

Nope.

OK then, find one credible economic anylist that says either plan will
eliminate deficit spending.



Obama says he's giving a tax cut to the poorest
Americans. How?

Check your facts.

No need. You can't cut ones taxes if they pay none.

Which is not what is at issue.

Then explain how he is going to cut their taxes.



They don't pay any taxes. What he does is mail them a
check. That's not a tax cut, it's welfare.

Check your facts.

This is right on his web site.

You seem confused.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

[Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama and Biden will restore
fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief
they need. Obama and Biden will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit
of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family.]

So if you are already paying no tax, you will get a check. And it will
add another 10,000,000 people to the roles of those who pay no income
tax.

If you pay no tax and the government sends you a check, only a liar would
call it a tax cut. A charitable person might call it a subsidy. A realist
would call it welfare. In any case it's another expensive entitlement
that once enacted will be impossible to get rid of.


Just not enough yet IMHO.

If you want to spend on wars & lies then raise the taxes
on those that can best afford to pay for the wars & lies
(who seem to support them most anyway).

There's no way of knowing whether that will in fact happen or not.

Reread my point.

Get us out of debt as a first priority!!

Unfortunately that's not one of the two choices.

Clearly it's never been a repub one.
Look at what they do, not what they say.
Wingers lie.

Yeah right.

Check your facts.

Just look at the economic miracle that Illinois Democrats
including Obama brought to their own home state when they took the
majority.

Was this after those repubs went to jail?

It was one. As compared with two democrats per year on average since
1973.

Get them all, if crooked.

I agree.

But how many repubs can we afford to jail?


By the time the "hopeful changer" ran for the US Senate,
Illinois had the highest state budget deficit in the country.

The repubs had cut their taxes & increased spending?
More trickle-down, right?

Uh no. It was Obama's pal Rod "the unreformer" Blagojevich.

Popular guy.. doing what you want done ... free money ..
sort of welfare for the rich ...

He hasn't cut taxes. He did increase spending though.


It has only
gotten worse. Not to mention the record deficits in Cook county and
Chicago. All thanks to Obama's corrupt pals Daley, Stroger, and
Blagojevich.

Offer to pay taxes & hire people at a decent wage.

They just had to pay out millions to people who were wrongfully fired
from their jobs in order to make way for politically connected hires.

Bushco actually paid?

Yeah right. We pay.


He had time to write two memoirs but never wrote any legislation
unless it enriched his friends and supporters. Everything else was
handed to him by Emil Jones for him to put his name on to build his
resume for a run at the US Senate. He's a bag of fluff whose
beholden to the machine. You'll see.

You do love the winger sites.

Meanwhile, I wonder what Rezko is whispering to the feds? Blago is
certainly in deep trouble. I wonder who else?

Probably a pile of repubs.

Doubtful.

Based on history ....

[Earlier this month, the Sun-Times reported about FBI agents
interviewing people who worked on a Blagojevich home rehab project
that was overseen by a Rezko company. Rezko was convicted in June of
wide-ranging fraud involving Blagojevich's administration, and
prosecutors have disclosed they're in talks with Rezko about becoming
a federal witness.

Sources who spoke to the Sun-Times on condition of anonymity said
agents had asked questions about Patti Blagojevich's real estate
dealings with Rezko. The work got under way in July 2003 -- about six
months after the governor began accepting Rezko's recommendations to
place people on state boards and about eight months after Patti
Blagojevich landed a $47,000 commission from a Rezko land deal.

Tiran and companies he's associated with gave $20,525 to the
governor's campaign fund from March 2001 to August 2006.

And bushco got how much from bankers & brokers & defense
contractors & drug firms & insurance firms & etc.?

Rezko gave Bush a pile of money in an effort to get him to fire A.G.
Fitzgerald. Bush didn't take the bait.


A business partner of Tiran's, Beny Garneata, was among 15 people
charged in May in a federal bribery probe of the city's Buildings and
Zoning departments. Garneata is fighting those charges, which aren't
connected to his business relationship with Tiran.

In 2006, Tiran paid $150,000 to settle two civil lawsuits filed by the
city of Chicago that alleged he illegally built condominium units in
the Logan Square neighborhood.]

So no charges or convictions.

Huh? It takes longer than a week. In case you didn't know this the FBI is
a government agency. As such they are in no real hurry. Unlike on TV
where they rush around and tie everything up in a day.

BTW, Who controls the FBI these days?

Robert S. Mueller III

--

Dan

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In article ,
D Murphy wrote:

OK then, find one credible economic anylist that says either plan will
eliminate deficit spending.

reality is the congress makes these decision
democrats in congress have been doing fairly adequate at revenue neutrality

[Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama and Biden will restore
fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief
they need. Obama and Biden will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit
of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family.]

i havent bothered looking this up
but if its eic
eic is not -free money-
its a partial return of regressive taxes (fica or set) already collected

anybody who calls eic a give away is either a liar or stupid
or usually both

If you pay no tax and the government sends you a check, only a liar would

if you have fica deducted from your salary
then you are already paying a tax

arf meow arf - cats and dogs living together - who ya goin call
its the end of the world as you know it - filler text goes here
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:44:35 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

They don't pay any taxes. What he does is mail them a check. That's
not a tax cut, it's welfare.

Check your facts.

This is right on his web site.

You seem confused.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

[Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama and Biden will restore
fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief
they need. Obama and Biden will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit
of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family.]

So if you are already paying no tax, you will get a check.

Perhaps this is the source of your misunderstanding. A "credit" is not in
any way, shape, or form "a check." Nobody is going to get "a check."

And it will add another 10,000,000 people to the roles of those who pay
no income tax.

Potentially. Might even balance out the value of wealthy who pay no
income tax.

If you pay no tax and the government sends you a check, only a liar
would call it a tax cut. A charitable person might call it a subsidy. A
realist would call it welfare. In any case it's another expensive
entitlement that once enacted will be impossible to get rid of.

"If" doesn't cut it. As shown above nobody is going to get "a check."

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Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:44:35 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

They don't pay any taxes. What he does is mail them a check.
That's not a tax cut, it's welfare.

Check your facts.

This is right on his web site.

You seem confused.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

[Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama and Biden will restore
fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax
relief they need. Obama and Biden will create a new "Making Work Pay"
tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family.]

So if you are already paying no tax, you will get a check.

Perhaps this is the source of your misunderstanding. A "credit" is
not in any way, shape, or form "a check." Nobody is going to get "a
check."

Yes they are and here's how. His plan makes the credit fully refundable.
So if you only paid $100.00 and your "credit" is $1,000.00 you would get
a $900.00 "refund" in the form of a check. Or one would assume electronic
transfer if you so chose. If you pay nothing you still get either a
$1,000.00 or $500.00 refund depending on your filing status.


And it will add another 10,000,000 people to the roles of those who
pay no income tax.

Potentially. Might even balance out the value of wealthy who pay no
income tax.

That's not possible with the AMT.


If you pay no tax and the government sends you a check, only a liar
would call it a tax cut. A charitable person might call it a subsidy.
A realist would call it welfare. In any case it's another expensive
entitlement that once enacted will be impossible to get rid of.

"If" doesn't cut it. As shown above nobody is going to get "a check."


As shown where? There will be checks and transfers. It's all in the plan.
Download the pdf and read it.

--

Dan

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rand mair fheal wrote in
:

In article ,
D Murphy wrote:

OK then, find one credible economic anylist that says either plan
will eliminate deficit spending.

reality is the congress makes these decision
democrats in congress have been doing fairly adequate at revenue
neutrality

True. But if your putting a Democrat in as president with a Democratic
controlled congress, there's a high likelyhood of some or most of this
happening.


[Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama and Biden will restore
fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax
relief they need. Obama and Biden will create a new "Making Work Pay"
tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family.]

i havent bothered looking this up
but if its eic
eic is not -free money-
its a partial return of regressive taxes (fica or set) already
collected

It's a fully refundable credit. Even if you owe no income tax. So while
he calls it an EIC, that's hardly what it is.


anybody who calls eic a give away is either a liar or stupid
or usually both

If you pay no tax and the government sends you a check, only a liar
would

if you have fica deducted from your salary
then you are already paying a tax


True. But that's a different issue. That could be solved by collecting
only the employer's share under some given income threshold. Leaving the
employee to keep his share of the tax when he needs it, every pay period.

I also have no problem with denying Soc. Sec. and Medicare to wealthy
people who can afford to live without it. Just so long as they have some
catastrophic coverage that prevents them from being wiped out.

--

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:51:34 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:44:35 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

They don't pay any taxes. What he does is mail them a check. That's
not a tax cut, it's welfare.

Check your facts.

This is right on his web site.

You seem confused.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

[Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama and Biden will restore
fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief
they need. Obama and Biden will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax
credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family.]

So if you are already paying no tax, you will get a check.

Perhaps this is the source of your misunderstanding. A "credit" is not
in any way, shape, or form "a check." Nobody is going to get "a check."

Yes they are and here's how. His plan makes the credit fully refundable.
So if you only paid $100.00 and your "credit" is $1,000.00 you would get a
$900.00 "refund" in the form of a check. Or one would assume electronic
transfer if you so chose. If you pay nothing you still get either a
$1,000.00 or $500.00 refund depending on your filing status.

Hard to believe, it's not a "credit" in the traditional sense of the word
if that is true.

And it will add another 10,000,000 people to the roles of those who
pay no income tax.

Potentially. Might even balance out the value of wealthy who pay no
income tax.

That's not possible with the AMT.

Sure it is, just launder income through a corporation or off shore
business.

Almost 1/3 of all U.S. Corporations paid absolutely no income tax last
year.

If you pay no tax and the government sends you a check, only a liar
would call it a tax cut. A charitable person might call it a subsidy.
A realist would call it welfare. In any case it's another expensive
entitlement that once enacted will be impossible to get rid of.

"If" doesn't cut it. As shown above nobody is going to get "a check."


As shown where? There will be checks and transfers. It's all in the
plan. Download the pdf and read it.

I'll do that, have a url?

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Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:51:34 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:44:35 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

They don't pay any taxes. What he does is mail them a check.
That's not a tax cut, it's welfare.

Check your facts.

This is right on his web site.

You seem confused.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

[Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama and Biden will
restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers
the tax relief they need. Obama and Biden will create a new "Making
Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per
working family.]

So if you are already paying no tax, you will get a check.

Perhaps this is the source of your misunderstanding. A "credit" is
not in any way, shape, or form "a check." Nobody is going to get "a
check."

Yes they are and here's how. His plan makes the credit fully
refundable. So if you only paid $100.00 and your "credit" is
$1,000.00 you would get a $900.00 "refund" in the form of a check. Or
one would assume electronic transfer if you so chose. If you pay
nothing you still get either a $1,000.00 or $500.00 refund depending
on your filing status.

Hard to believe, it's not a "credit" in the traditional sense of the
word if that is true.

And it will add another 10,000,000 people to the roles of those who
pay no income tax.

Potentially. Might even balance out the value of wealthy who pay no
income tax.

That's not possible with the AMT.

Sure it is, just launder income through a corporation or off shore
business.

Almost 1/3 of all U.S. Corporations paid absolutely no income tax last
year.

If you pay no tax and the government sends you a check, only a liar
would call it a tax cut. A charitable person might call it a
subsidy. A realist would call it welfare. In any case it's another
expensive entitlement that once enacted will be impossible to get
rid of.

"If" doesn't cut it. As shown above nobody is going to get "a
check."


As shown where? There will be checks and transfers. It's all in the
plan. Download the pdf and read it.

I'll do that, have a url?


Feh. I can't find it now. Here's a page on his site where they talk about
it though. They change that web site every freakin day.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/family/

Anyway I turned up this article and an op-ed from the WSJ. The difference
is this article includes comments from the Obama campaign where the op-ed
obviously wouldn't.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...x-cut-refunds-
those-who-dont-pay/print/

What Obama says is true, that even if you pay no income tax, you still
pay Social Security taxes. But if that is the issue, then cut that tax
out for earners under a certain threshold. Otherwise the EITC becomes an
entitlement that will be forever adjusted and increased during election
cycles. It might seem like quibbling but I think it's an important
difference. Let's keep all the stuff in the right column. If you earn
near the minimum you'll get back more than you paid in.

Here is the op-ed -
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1219...29751345.html?
mod=most_emailed_day

It's a little more detailed. And I learned that we are already doing
this. Obama is expanding it. It seems to me that if people need public
aid, they should get it every week rather than once per year at tax time.

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Dan