JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.


The Democratic base is very motivated. Powell's comments will help more
non-aligned, independent and undecided voters go for Obama. This
election is going to depend on turnout and independent and undecided
voters. What Powell said will matter to some of those folks.

On Oct 20, 2:20*pm, Boater wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
....
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. *Even before 2004. *His leaving was no surprise to many. *He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. *A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. *They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. *Clearly proven in
this current mess. *Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. *It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.

The Democratic base is very motivated. Powell's comments will help more
non-aligned, independent and undecided voters go for Obama. This
election is going to depend on turnout and independent and undecided
voters. What Powell said will matter to some of those folks.

Perhaps, but his endorsement and comments yesterday were certainly not
"absolutely devastating" to the McCain campaign as you suggest.

If an endorsement sways a voter......that voter needs to visit the
wizard in hopes of getting a brain.

..
--
A Harry Krause truism:

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Narcissistic Hypocrite]

"Boater" wrote in message
...


Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign. I don't think I've ever
heard a more direct and erudite non-endorsement and endorsement of two
candidates.


And he still considers himself to be a Republican. Interesting, isn't it?

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign. I don't think I've ever
heard a more direct and erudite non-endorsement and endorsement of two
candidates.


And he still considers himself to be a Republican. Interesting, isn't it?

Eisboch



Tradition. Or perhaps he hopes his party will come to its senses if it
is handed a catastrophic loss. A more moderate Republican party might be
more successful in the future. But if it continues to run lousy
candidates and almost totally negative campaigns, it deserves to lose
and lose and lose.

JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.

The endorsement of a newspaper or a public figure is a self serving act.
Why would the older Powell wait until now to endorse Obama? The younger
Powell has endorsed McCain. Both endorsements are irrelevant.

Boater wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a
president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and
2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the
current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to
many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly
proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a
return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.


The Democratic base is very motivated. Powell's comments will help more
non-aligned, independent and undecided voters go for Obama. This
election is going to depend on turnout and independent and undecided
voters. What Powell said will matter to some of those folks.

Sheep shouldn't vote.

Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards,
were absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign. I don't think
I've ever heard a more direct and erudite non-endorsement and
endorsement of two candidates.


And he still considers himself to be a Republican. Interesting,
isn't it?

Eisboch


Tradition. Or perhaps he hopes his party will come to its senses if it
is handed a catastrophic loss. A more moderate Republican party might be
more successful in the future. But if it continues to run lousy
candidates and almost totally negative campaigns, it deserves to lose
and lose and lose.

The more the Democrats become liberal the more the loose the
presidential elections. It seems that when the Democrats move to the
right they win and when the Republicans move to the right they win. 1976
is an exception.

BAR wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a
president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and
2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the
current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to
many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly
proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a
return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.

The endorsement of a newspaper or a public figure is a self serving act.
Why would the older Powell wait until now to endorse Obama? The younger
Powell has endorsed McCain. Both endorsements are irrelevant.



I'm glad to see the grapes of wrath are going to be so bitter this year
for the "Base."

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a
president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and
2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the
current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to
many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A
lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly
proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a
return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards,
were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.


The Democratic base is very motivated. Powell's comments will help
more non-aligned, independent and undecided voters go for Obama. This
election is going to depend on turnout and independent and undecided
voters. What Powell said will matter to some of those folks.

Sheep shouldn't vote.



Awwwwwww...poor baser.