wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:30:06 -0400, Boater
wrote:

...so that the only news Sarah Palin will make will be during her
resignation as Alaska's governor because of ethical reasons.


If she resigned as governor it would be to take Steven's seat if he
got reelected ... and the Marion Barry effect might let that happen


If Stevens doesn't quit before the upcoming election, it looks as if he
will lose. If somehow Palin appointed herself to that seat, she'd be a
really interesting and colorful senator, and would be about as effective
as Elizabeth Dole.

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
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On Oct 30, 5:11 pm, "William Black"
wrote:
"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

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On Oct 30, 3:43 pm, "William Black"
wrote:



"David E. Powell" wrote in
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On Oct 29, 7:25 am, "William Black"
wrote:

"Dennis" wrote in message

. 1.4...

Andrew Swallow wrote:

I found this site with 12 gage pepper shells for loading into a
hand
held flare gun:
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...12-gauge-speci
alty-ammo

This would avoid buying a "real" gun for defending ones sailboat
from pirates. Thoughts?

Modern pirates use RPG launchers. You have to match fire power.

So bring an RPG launcer yourself. Better yet, how about a MILAN or
Sagger anti-tank missile? You could *out*-gun them that way!

Can you adapt a Stinger missile or SAM-7 for surface-to-surface use?
You'd have even more range and flexibility that way.

"Hello, my name's 'Hamid the Mad Bomber', here's my skipper's ticket
and
a
letter from my shipping company, it's called 'The Terrorist Shipping
Line", saying that I work for them. I'll have 6 RPGs and a SAM-7 to go
please..."

I'm sure the company would have some serious hurdles.

------------------

What sort?

Small freighters are available for less than 'telephone number' money. I
found half a dozen in a web search that took less than ten minutes, all
for
less than a million dollars US

A limited company can be bought in the UK for £100 and its registered
address can be a sympathetic lawyer's office.

And then you've got an Arab owned British shipping company (ship
registered
in Liberia of course) that's doing business in the area and has a
perfect
right to the stuff.

Invent a couple of small trading companies and ship cheap rubbish around
the
Gulf and the Horn for about a year, complete with all the necessary
paperwork, and then ring someone up and say something like 'Hey man,
like
we want our guns man, we're human too you know...' and await delivery
and
a
training package...

Now I'm sure if I can work this sort of thing out the highly paid
intelligence analysists of the CIA can as well, but it would be horribly
difficult to spot the dud company from the real one.

Freight shipping in smallish freighters has always been a pretty dirty
business.

The easy solution is not to allow merchant ships anything more lethal
than
a
rifle...

Probably spot the dud company the same way Valerie Plame's op was
outed, not enough documentation and reaction. Call the telephone
number, several times, usually not answered or answered by an
answering service. Look for membership in shipping organizations,
address in "home" country, hiring patterns for crew, agents.

A Russian op would probably look real, a Russian-backed op probably as
well. It's called experience in the "legend".

--------------------------

The easy way to do it would be to set up a real shipping company and ship
some stuff, or 'adopt' one owned by a sympathiser.

That way you don't show up when people do basic background checks...

Terrorists don't operate in a vacuum.

I'm astonished that the CIA didn't actually operate a proper company
complete with proper offices for 'cover' purposes for its agents, except
that, of course, when it gets blown everyone gets blown...

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

They had a really good idea, a consultant service for an investment
company. Idea would be that they do some private work if you are an
okay company but their resources, ie Valerie Plame plus whoever else,
are limited and very expensive. My experience with CIA cover was that
the people who did it were very unimaginative.

The entertainment at graduation from a place with a reputation,
included a guy who was sort of a Shelly Berman type. He did a routine
on a stool with a telephone that went through all of the possibilities
of a trainee being nabbed by the local police for "suspicious
activity".

Stool + telephone was Bob Newhart, not Shelly Berman, I think.

Bob McKellar

Boater wrote:

If Stevens doesn't quit before the upcoming election, it looks as if he
will lose. If somehow Palin appointed herself to that seat, she'd be a
really interesting and colorful senator, and would be about as effective
as Elizabeth Dole.

Better than as Veep?

Dennis

Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:30:06 -0400, Boater
wrote:

...so that the only news Sarah Palin will make will be during her
resignation as Alaska's governor because of ethical reasons.


If she resigned as governor it would be to take Steven's seat if he
got reelected ... and the Marion Barry effect might let that happen


If Stevens doesn't quit before the upcoming election, it looks as if he
will lose. If somehow Palin appointed herself to that seat, she'd be a
really interesting and colorful senator, and would be about as effective
as Elizabeth Dole.

Actually he is still very popular and more then likely will be
reelected. His lifelong accomplishments have enriched Alaska. His
perfidy while corrupt and unacceptable has harmed no one. Alaska still
wants his seniority and political power.

On Oct 30, 9:33*pm, "Bob McKellar" wrote:
"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

...
On Oct 30, 5:11 pm, "William Black"
wrote:



"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

...
On Oct 30, 3:43 pm, "William Black"
wrote:

"David E. Powell" wrote in
...
On Oct 29, 7:25 am, "William Black"
wrote:

"Dennis" wrote in message

. 1.4...

Andrew Swallow wrote:

I found this site with 12 gage pepper shells for loading into a
hand
held flare gun:
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...12-gauge-speci
alty-ammo

This would avoid buying a "real" gun for defending ones sailboat
from pirates. Thoughts?

Modern pirates use RPG launchers. You have to match fire power.

So bring an RPG launcer yourself. Better yet, how about a MILAN or
Sagger anti-tank missile? You could *out*-gun them that way!

Can you adapt a Stinger missile or SAM-7 for surface-to-surface use?
You'd have even more range and flexibility that way.

"Hello, my name's 'Hamid the Mad Bomber', here's my skipper's ticket
and
a
letter from my shipping company, it's called 'The Terrorist Shipping
Line", saying that I work for them. I'll have 6 RPGs and a SAM-7 to go
please..."

I'm sure the company would have some serious hurdles.

------------------

What sort?

Small freighters are available for less than 'telephone number' money.. I
found half a dozen in a web search that took less than ten minutes, all
for
less than a million dollars US

A limited company can be bought in the UK for £100 and its registered
address can be a sympathetic lawyer's office.

And then you've got an Arab owned British shipping company (ship
registered
in Liberia of course) that's doing business in the area and has a
perfect
right to the stuff.

Invent a couple of small trading companies and ship cheap rubbish around
the
Gulf and the Horn for about a year, complete with all the necessary
paperwork, and then ring someone up and say something like 'Hey man,
like
we want our guns man, we're human too you know...' and await delivery
and
a
training package...

Now I'm sure if I can work this sort of thing out the highly paid
intelligence analysists of the CIA can as well, but it would be horribly
difficult to spot the dud company from the real one.

Freight shipping in smallish freighters has always been a pretty dirty
business.

The easy solution is not to allow merchant ships anything more lethal
than
a
rifle...

Probably spot the dud company the same way Valerie Plame's op was
outed, not enough documentation and reaction. Call the telephone
number, several times, usually not answered or answered by an
answering service. Look for membership in shipping organizations,
address in "home" country, hiring patterns for crew, agents.

A Russian op would probably look real, a Russian-backed op probably as
well. It's called experience in the "legend".

--------------------------

The easy way to do it would be to set up a real shipping company and ship
some stuff, or 'adopt' one owned by a sympathiser.

That way you don't show up when people do basic background checks...

Terrorists don't operate in a vacuum.

I'm astonished that the CIA didn't actually operate a proper company
complete with proper offices for 'cover' purposes for its agents, except
that, of course, when it gets blown everyone gets blown...

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

They had a really good idea, a consultant service for an investment
company. Idea would be that they do some private work if you are an
okay company but their resources, ie Valerie Plame plus whoever else,
are limited and very expensive. My experience with CIA cover was that
the people who did it were very unimaginative.

The entertainment at graduation from a place with a reputation,
included a guy who was sort of a Shelly Berman type. He did a routine
on a stool with a telephone that went through all of the possibilities
of a trainee being nabbed by the local police for "suspicious
activity".

Stool + telephone was Bob Newhart, not Shelly Berman, I think.

Bob McKellar

You may be right, long time ago.

wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:35:01 -0500, Don Ocean
wrote:

Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:30:06 -0400, Boater
wrote:

...so that the only news Sarah Palin will make will be during her
resignation as Alaska's governor because of ethical reasons.

If she resigned as governor it would be to take Steven's seat if he
got reelected ... and the Marion Barry effect might let that happen

If Stevens doesn't quit before the upcoming election, it looks as if he
will lose. If somehow Palin appointed herself to that seat, she'd be a
really interesting and colorful senator, and would be about as effective
as Elizabeth Dole.
Actually he is still very popular and more then likely will be
reelected. His lifelong accomplishments have enriched Alaska. His
perfidy while corrupt and unacceptable has harmed no one. Alaska still
wants his seniority and political power.

Alaskans are used to getting a check for several thousand bucks every
year from oil companies. They are not shocked that Stevens got a
little mungo from a huge oil company project..


The issue wasn't the bribes, but that he didn't properly report them on
his federal forms. If there is any justice in Alaska, Ms. Palin is going
to find herself in similar hot water over the construction of her house,
though the charges against her will be state, not federal.

wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:33:35 -0400, Boater
wrote:

Alaskans are used to getting a check for several thousand bucks every
year from oil companies. They are not shocked that Stevens got a
little mungo from a huge oil company project..

The issue wasn't the bribes, but that he didn't properly report them on
his federal forms. If there is any justice in Alaska, Ms. Palin is going
to find herself in similar hot water over the construction of her house,
though the charges against her will be state, not federal.

If every politician who got a favor from someone was removed they
would not be able to raise a quorum in any legislative body in the
country.

The advantage for Palin here is that in 4 years this will all be old
news. I still say this was just a way to clean out her closet with
very little to lose. The odds of a republican winning the white house
were slim this time, no matter who they ran. She may be the most
vetted politician in the country right now and in the grand scheme of
things, they didn't find much. The real question will be in how she
acts from now on.
If I was her I would get a better grasp on how the federal government
works. Some of her "the VP runs the Senate" lines were just dumb.
Nothing would do that better than a job at the capitol.


Perhaps she can run the shoeshine stand there.

On Oct 31, 2:49*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:33:35 -0400, Boater
wrote:

Alaskans are used to getting a check for several thousand bucks every
year from oil companies. They are not shocked that Stevens got a
little mungo from a huge oil company project..

The issue wasn't the bribes, but that he didn't properly report them on
his federal forms. If there is any justice in Alaska, Ms. Palin is going
to find herself in similar hot water over the construction of her house,
though the charges against her will be state, not federal.

If every politician who got a favor from someone was removed they
would not be able to raise a quorum in any legislative body in the
country.

The advantage for Palin here is that in 4 years this will all be old
news. I still say this was just a way to clean out her closet with
very little to lose. The odds of a republican winning the white house
were slim this time, no matter who they ran. She may be the most
vetted politician in the country right now and in the grand scheme of
things, they didn't find much. The real question will be in how she
acts from now on.
If I was her I would get a better grasp on how the federal government
works. Some of her "the VP runs the Senate" lines were just dumb.
Nothing would do that better than a job at the capitol.

There's a Senator up for election in 2010

Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Oct 31, 2:49 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:33:35 -0400, Boater
wrote:

Alaskans are used to getting a check for several thousand bucks every
year from oil companies. They are not shocked that Stevens got a
little mungo from a huge oil company project..
The issue wasn't the bribes, but that he didn't properly report them on
his federal forms. If there is any justice in Alaska, Ms. Palin is going
to find herself in similar hot water over the construction of her house,
though the charges against her will be state, not federal.
If every politician who got a favor from someone was removed they
would not be able to raise a quorum in any legislative body in the
country.

The advantage for Palin here is that in 4 years this will all be old
news. I still say this was just a way to clean out her closet with
very little to lose. The odds of a republican winning the white house
were slim this time, no matter who they ran. She may be the most
vetted politician in the country right now and in the grand scheme of
things, they didn't find much. The real question will be in how she
acts from now on.
If I was her I would get a better grasp on how the federal government
works. Some of her "the VP runs the Senate" lines were just dumb.
Nothing would do that better than a job at the capitol.

There's a Senator up for election in 2010


You think Ms. Murkowski is going to stand aside for Sarah Palin? Why?
I doubt Palin would force a primary.

wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:39:49 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
wrote:

The advantage for Palin here is that in 4 years this will all be old
news. I still say this was just a way to clean out her closet with
very little to lose. The odds of a republican winning the white house
were slim this time, no matter who they ran. She may be the most
vetted politician in the country right now and in the grand scheme of
things, they didn't find much. The real question will be in how she
acts from now on.
If I was her I would get a better grasp on how the federal government
works. Some of her "the VP runs the Senate" lines were just dumb.
Nothing would do that better than a job at the capitol.
There's a Senator up for election in 2010

I think there will be a vacancy as soon as Stevens' appeals are
exhausted


You're assuming Stevens will win re-election.