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D.Duck wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:39:58 -0800, Tim wrote:


If Barry O is elected POTUS, and after it was taken through the process
of the Supreme Court ; it was found out that he was not a natural born
U.S citizen.... what would happen? Would he be forced to resign the
Presidency due to fraud, withholding evidence and/or obstruction of
justice?
I think you may be missing the point. If he is elected, he will be
elected by the *people*. Any messing with that is called a coup. The
courts have consistently maintained a hands off approach to this issue,
as they should. I would also point out, this does not only concern
Obama, it also concerns McCain. McCain's "natural born" status is not a
certainty. Let's make it easy on ourselves, let the voters decide.

http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheor...el-j-chin.html

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1157621
If you are born of US citizens in a local hospital in France are you a
natural born US citizen?

If you are born of US citizens in a US embassy in France are you a natural
born US citizen?


The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the
Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that
"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond
the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as
natural born citizens." In addition George Washington was president of the
Constitutional Convention and President of the United States when this bill
became law. If Washington disagreed with this definition, he could have
vetoed this bill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen



Correct me if I am wrong but, modification to the US Constitution
requires an amendment not a redefinition of a term.

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Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:39:58 -0800, Tim wrote:


If Barry O is elected POTUS, and after it was taken through the
process
of the Supreme Court ; it was found out that he was not a natural
born
U.S citizen.... what would happen? Would he be forced to resign the
Presidency due to fraud, withholding evidence and/or obstruction of
justice?
I think you may be missing the point. If he is elected, he will be
elected by the *people*. Any messing with that is called a coup.
The courts have consistently maintained a hands off approach to this
issue, as they should. I would also point out, this does not only
concern Obama, it also concerns McCain. McCain's "natural born"
status is not a certainty. Let's make it easy on ourselves, let the
voters decide.

http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheor...el-j-chin.html

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1157621
If you are born of US citizens in a local hospital in France are you
a natural born US citizen?

If you are born of US citizens in a US embassy in France are you a
natural born US citizen?


The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the
Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790
that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be
born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall
be considered as natural born citizens." In addition George Washington
was president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the
United States when this bill became law. If Washington disagreed with
this definition, he could have vetoed this bill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen



Gosharoonie, that means that Obama, even if he were born in Kenya of a
mom who was a U.S. citizen is...a natural born citizen...

I'd like to challenge that law. And, I have legal standing to do so.

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BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:39:58 -0800, Tim wrote:


If Barry O is elected POTUS, and after it was taken through the
process
of the Supreme Court ; it was found out that he was not a natural
born
U.S citizen.... what would happen? Would he be forced to resign the
Presidency due to fraud, withholding evidence and/or obstruction of
justice?
I think you may be missing the point. If he is elected, he will be
elected by the *people*. Any messing with that is called a coup.
The courts have consistently maintained a hands off approach to
this issue, as they should. I would also point out, this does not
only concern Obama, it also concerns McCain. McCain's "natural
born" status is not a certainty. Let's make it easy on ourselves,
let the voters decide.

http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheor...el-j-chin.html

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1157621
If you are born of US citizens in a local hospital in France are you
a natural born US citizen?

If you are born of US citizens in a US embassy in France are you a
natural born US citizen?


The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the
Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790
that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be
born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall
be considered as natural born citizens." In addition George
Washington was president of the Constitutional Convention and
President of the United States when this bill became law. If
Washington disagreed with this definition, he could have vetoed this
bill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen



Gosharoonie, that means that Obama, even if he were born in Kenya of a
mom who was a U.S. citizen is...a natural born citizen...

I'd like to challenge that law. And, I have legal standing to do so.


But not the smarts. Or the money. Tough tittie.

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On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:37:03 -0800, Tim wrote:


Yes, there are complex legal issues involved, And no, I don't believe
I'm missing the point. My question[s], even though hypothetical would or
at least should have a concrete answer.

Sorry, but it beats me. I'm guessing the Presidential Succession Act
would be used.

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On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:39:05 -0800, Tim wrote:


Harry, Please provide us with a list of those Presidents who have had
their place of birth questioned, and if so those who haven't provided
"proof"

Chester Arthur. Many believe he was born in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester..._and_education

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Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:

There is no Constitutional requirement to provide the
documentation you want.

There is a Constitutional requirement to be a natural born
citizen of the US of A to be the President. Therefore there is
an implied requirement that you provide proof that you meet the
requirement.

There is, eh? Got cites?


Article II, Section 1.

Wrong, Palin-breath. There's not a word in there about providing
proof.

Further, there are questions over the term "natural born." George
Romney, for example, sought his party's nomination in 1968. He was
a citizen of the United States born abroad (in Mexico). Lowell
Weicker, a U.S. Senator from my home state, made a brief run for
the nomination in 1980. He was a born abroad, too.

What's your point? Article II, Section 1 states the requirement.
Implicit in the requirement is providing proof. You can parse the
words any way you want.


Yeah? Please provide us with a list of those Presidents who have
provided "proof."

The question on the table is where was Obama born? All we want to see
is a copy of his original birth certificate, not a printout from a
database.


No one cares what you want. Try getting used to that, eh?

If no one cares what I want, why do you keep responding to my posts?

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BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:

There is no Constitutional requirement to provide the
documentation you want.

There is a Constitutional requirement to be a natural born
citizen of the US of A to be the President. Therefore there is
an implied requirement that you provide proof that you meet the
requirement.

There is, eh? Got cites?


Article II, Section 1.

Wrong, Palin-breath. There's not a word in there about providing
proof.

Further, there are questions over the term "natural born." George
Romney, for example, sought his party's nomination in 1968. He was
a citizen of the United States born abroad (in Mexico). Lowell
Weicker, a U.S. Senator from my home state, made a brief run for
the nomination in 1980. He was a born abroad, too.

What's your point? Article II, Section 1 states the requirement.
Implicit in the requirement is providing proof. You can parse the
words any way you want.


Yeah? Please provide us with a list of those Presidents who have
provided "proof."

The question on the table is where was Obama born? All we want to see
is a copy of his original birth certificate, not a printout from a
database.


No one cares what you want. Try getting used to that, eh?

If no one cares what I want, why do you keep responding to my posts?



You're sort of a rec.boats toilet seat...something upon which to sit and
take a dump.

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wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:46:30 -0500, BAR wrote:

Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:39:58 -0800, Tim wrote:


If Barry O is elected POTUS, and after it was taken through the
process
of the Supreme Court ; it was found out that he was not a natural
born
U.S citizen.... what would happen? Would he be forced to resign the
Presidency due to fraud, withholding evidence and/or obstruction of
justice?
I think you may be missing the point. If he is elected, he will be
elected by the *people*. Any messing with that is called a coup.
The courts have consistently maintained a hands off approach to this
issue, as they should. I would also point out, this does not only
concern Obama, it also concerns McCain. McCain's "natural born"
status is not a certainty. Let's make it easy on ourselves, let the
voters decide.

http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheor...el-j-chin.html

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1157621
If you are born of US citizens in a local hospital in France are you
a natural born US citizen?

If you are born of US citizens in a US embassy in France are you a
natural born US citizen?

The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the
Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790
that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be
born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall
be considered as natural born citizens." In addition George Washington
was president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the
United States when this bill became law. If Washington disagreed with
this definition, he could have vetoed this bill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen


Gosharoonie, that means that Obama, even if he were born in Kenya of a
mom who was a U.S. citizen is...a natural born citizen...
I'd like to challenge that law. And, I have legal standing to do so.

You don't have a legal standing to do squat until a final ruling that
you have such standing.

Let us know when you prevail - or even get a preliminary hearing.


Sure I have legal standing. I am a US citizen, a citizen of one of the
several states and a legal voter. How much more standing can I have?
Just because a judge doesn't want to hear the case and issues an opinion
that I don't have standing doesn't mean I don't have standing to
challenge Obama's ability to comply with the provisions of Article II,
Section 1 of the US Constitution.

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BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:46:30 -0500, BAR wrote:

Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:39:58 -0800, Tim wrote:


If Barry O is elected POTUS, and after it was taken through the
process
of the Supreme Court ; it was found out that he was not a
natural born
U.S citizen.... what would happen? Would he be forced to resign the
Presidency due to fraud, withholding evidence and/or obstruction of
justice?
I think you may be missing the point. If he is elected, he will
be elected by the *people*. Any messing with that is called a
coup. The courts have consistently maintained a hands off
approach to this issue, as they should. I would also point out,
this does not only concern Obama, it also concerns McCain.
McCain's "natural born" status is not a certainty. Let's make it
easy on ourselves, let the voters decide.

http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheor...el-j-chin.html

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1157621
If you are born of US citizens in a local hospital in France are
you a natural born US citizen?

If you are born of US citizens in a US embassy in France are you a
natural born US citizen?

The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the
Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of
1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that
may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United
States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." In addition
George Washington was president of the Constitutional Convention
and President of the United States when this bill became law. If
Washington disagreed with this definition, he could have vetoed
this bill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen


Gosharoonie, that means that Obama, even if he were born in Kenya of
a mom who was a U.S. citizen is...a natural born citizen...
I'd like to challenge that law. And, I have legal standing to do so.

You don't have a legal standing to do squat until a final ruling that
you have such standing.
Let us know when you prevail - or even get a preliminary hearing.


Sure I have legal standing. I am a US citizen, a citizen of one of the
several states and a legal voter. How much more standing can I have?
Just because a judge doesn't want to hear the case and issues an opinion
that I don't have standing doesn't mean I don't have standing to
challenge Obama's ability to comply with the provisions of Article II,
Section 1 of the US Constitution.



Stupid is as stupid posts.