"rand mair fheal" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote:

Matt Stawicki, ye raw-boned simple clown, a huge translation of
hypocrisy, vilely compiled, profoundly stupid, ye drawled:

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!


But you wouldn't if you were a poor Mexican peasant, right?

the claim is nonsensical
people dont freely stroll across the border
hospitals dont check citizenship or immigration status of patients

and the people who get hit the worst are like po widdle matty
middle class home owners who lost their coverage
when they lost their job or the employer drop coverage
and a preexisting condition locks them out of coverage

they then choose between dying
or watching their entire middle class property seized to pay bills
leaving them destitute but as uncollectable as they are uncoverable

Sounds like free market capitalism to me.
What's his complaint?
Is it that he can't pay because his services aren't in demand?
Tough luck.

J


arf meow arf - cats and dogs living together - who ya goin call
its the end of the world as you know it - filler text goes here
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang

rand mair fheal, ye big-nosed infidel, wretched, bloody and usurping
boar, ye lectured:

In article ,
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote:

Matt Stawicki, ye raw-boned simple clown, a huge translation of
hypocrisy, vilely compiled, profoundly stupid, ye drawled:

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!


But you wouldn't if you were a poor Mexican peasant, right?

the claim is nonsensical
people dont freely stroll across the border
hospitals dont check citizenship or immigration status of patients

and the people who get hit the worst are like po widdle matty
middle class home owners who lost their coverage
when they lost their job or the employer drop coverage
and a preexisting condition locks them out of coverage

they then choose between dying
or watching their entire middle class property seized to pay bills
leaving them destitute but as uncollectable as they are uncoverable


So, to summarise, one is better off if one is an illegal Mexican immigrant.

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In article ,
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote:

rand mair fheal, ye big-nosed infidel, wretched, bloody and usurping
boar, ye lectured:

In article ,
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote:

Matt Stawicki, ye raw-boned simple clown, a huge translation of
hypocrisy, vilely compiled, profoundly stupid, ye drawled:

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!


But you wouldn't if you were a poor Mexican peasant, right?

the claim is nonsensical
people dont freely stroll across the border
hospitals dont check citizenship or immigration status of patients

and the people who get hit the worst are like po widdle matty
middle class home owners who lost their coverage
when they lost their job or the employer drop coverage
and a preexisting condition locks them out of coverage

they then choose between dying
or watching their entire middle class property seized to pay bills
leaving them destitute but as uncollectable as they are uncoverable


So, to summarise, one is better off if one is an illegal Mexican immigrant.

freedoms just another world for nothing left to lose

arf meow arf - cats and dogs living together - who ya goin call
its the end of the world as you know it - filler text goes here
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:20:08 -0800, John R. Carroll wrote:


"rand mair fheal" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote:

Matt Stawicki, ye raw-boned simple clown, a huge translation of
hypocrisy, vilely compiled, profoundly stupid, ye drawled:

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!


But you wouldn't if you were a poor Mexican peasant, right?

the claim is nonsensical
people dont freely stroll across the border hospitals dont check
citizenship or immigration status of patients

and the people who get hit the worst are like po widdle matty middle
class home owners who lost their coverage when they lost their job or
the employer drop coverage and a preexisting condition locks them out of
coverage

they then choose between dying
or watching their entire middle class property seized to pay bills
leaving them destitute but as uncollectable as they are uncoverable

Sounds like free market capitalism to me. What's his complaint?
Is it that he can't pay because his services aren't in demand? Tough luck.

J

Not speaking for others but my compliant with health costs are health
costs. Artificially inflated by governmetnally sanctioned monopolies,
unnecessary regulations, monopolized drugs all generate usary costs.

Escaping poverty inducing health care isn't a crime.

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On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:26:48 -0800, Matt Stawicki
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:33:59 -0800, rand mair fheal
wrote:

In article ,
Matt Stawicki wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:29:57 -0500, Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:00:22 GMT, Joe wrote:


Don't be shocked to see that $500 to $1,000 a month bill for your
family's health coverage to go up to as high as $1,500 to $3,000 a
month.


I don't normally respond to posts like this that are multiposted to such
groups as alt kooks.... but I will make this comment.

I don't say it to me mean or snotty but after spending five months in a
Canadian hospital I feel sorry for you Americans who require health care
and advanced medical services that you have to pay for out of your own
pocket.

I spent three month in a primary hospital setting, had two surgeries and
will guess that the cost was about 1,000 per day for my treatment.

After that I spent two month in a rehabilitation hospital at a cost of
350 dollars per day.

I'm now on homecare and receive visits and dressing changes three times
per week and have no idea what that costs.

MY COST TO ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL...... NOTHING.

I can't see how any American without health insurance can even afford to
have their tonsils removed let alone major surgery.

They cannot.
But if sick enough many get treated at someone else's expense
anyway. Usually after losing everything & with no hope for the
future (still in debt for life).
The later can easily happen even to the insured as well.

Unless, of course, you're a illegal Mexican. CA hospitals, by law,
cannot turn them away - for any reason.

good to see the bigots are still around
comic relief

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!

Matt

ILLEGAL ALIENS AND EMTALA


Dr. Madeleine Cosman, Ph.D., ESQ
March 23, 2005
NewsWithViews.com

The influx of Illegal Aliens has devastating, hidden medical
consequences. We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we
do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than
what is seen.[1] Illegal Aliens’ stealthy assaults on medicine now
must rouse Americans to alarmed alert.[2] Even President Bush
describes Illegal Aliens only as they are seen: strong physical
laborers who work hard in nasty jobs with low wages, who cultivate
their families, and who pursue the American dream. What is unseen is
their free medical care that has degraded and closed some of America’s
finest emergency medical facilities and caused hospital bankruptcies:
84 California hospital are closing their doors forever.[3] An
important cause of these hospital closures is the Emergency Medical
Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985 (EMTALA).

What is seen is the political statistic that 43 million lives are at
risk in America because those people have no health insurance.[4] What
is unseen is that medical insurance does not equal medical care.
Uninsured people get medical care in hospital Emergency Rooms under
the coercive EMTALA that obligates hospitals to treat the uninsured
but does not pay for that care. Also unseen is the percentage of
uninsured who are Illegal Aliens. No one knows how many Illegal Aliens
reside in America. If 10 million, they constitute nearly 25% of the
uninsured. If more, more.

EMTALA

EMTALA requires each Emergency Room to treat anyone who enters with an
“emergency” associated with cough, headache, hangnail, cardiac arrest,
herniated lumbar disc, drug addiction, alcohol overdose, gunshot
injury, automobile trauma, HIV-positive infection, mental problem, or
personality disorder. Definition of emergency is flexible and vague
enough to include almost any condition as requiring mandatory care.
Any patient coming to a hospital emergency room requesting emergency
care must be screened and treated until stabilized for discharge or
stabilized for transfer whether or not insured, whether or not
“documented,” and whether or not able to pay.

A woman in labor must remain to deliver her child. Babies born to
Illegal Alien women are called Anchor Babies for once they are born,
like anchors dropped to keep boats safely in harbor, they pull their
Illegal Alien parents and siblings into lucrative residency. The
babies instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits. They have
caused volcanic eruptions in Medicaid costs and skyrocketing stipends
under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income.[5],[6]

What is seen is the strong-backed Illegal Alien who will come to the
Emergency Room and cough, sweat, and bleed but is assumed basically
healthy even though he and his Illegal Alien wife and kids never were
examined for contagious diseases. By our glance and by our shrug we
grant Illegal Aliens health passes. What is unseen is that many
Illegal Aliens harbor within their bodies fatal diseases that long ago
American medicine fought and vanquished. Now Illegal Aliens carry drug
resistant strains of tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio,
Dengue Fever, and Chagas Disease.[7],[8]

A hospital with an Emergency Room must have specialists ready to treat
on call at all times for all departments that provide medical services
and specialties within the hospital’s capabilities. EMTALA is an
unfunded federal mandate. Government imposes viciously stiff fines and
penalties up to $50,000 for each incident upon any physician and any
hospital refusing to treat any patient that a vigorous prosecutor
deems an emergency patient even though the hospital or physician
screened and declared the patient’s illness or injury
non-emergency.[9],[10] But government does not pay either the hospital
or the physicians for treatments. In addition to the fiscal attack on
medical facilities and personnel, EMTALA is a handy truncheon to
pummel politically unpopular physicians by falsely accusing them of
violating EMTALA.

High-tech hospital emergency units degenerated into local free medical
offices. In California, for instance, between 1993 and 2003, 60
hospitals closed because of over 50% of unpaid services, and another
24 California hospitals closed in 2004. Even ambulances from Mexico
come to Emergency Rooms with indigents because the drivers know that
EMTALA requires accepting patients who come within 250 yards of a
hospital. That geographic limit has figured in many lawsuits.[11],[12]

Los Angeles County Trauma Care Network, built in 1983, was one of
America’s finest Emergency Medical Response organizations. Consisting
of 22 hospitals, super-high-tech equipment, superior emergency
physicians, surgeons, specialists, nurses, and technicians, it offered
365-day, round-the-clock emergency care for people suffering
life-threatening car crashes, industrial accidents, urban crime,
natural disasters of earthquake and wildfire, and national disasters
of terrorism. Now most trauma hospitals have left the Network and so
have many emergency physicians and surgeons.[13] EMTALA contributed to
the Trauma Care Network’s loss of focus and loss of money.[14]

VIOLENT CRIME

Illegal Aliens perpetrate much violent crime whose physical results
arrive in ERs. [15],[16] “Dump and Run” patients dropped on the
hospital sidewalk or at the emergency room entrance before the car
speeds away usually are connected to drugs and gangs. Patients
requiring tracheotomies and thoracotomies for stab or gunshot wounds
are dumped at hospitals whether or not exclusively dedicated to trauma
care and EMTALA governs their treatment.[17],[18]

While nationally most people coming to emergency units are not poor
and have medical insurance,[19] cities such as Los Angeles with large
Illegal Alien populations, high crime, and powerful immigrant gangs
are losing their hospitals to the ravages of unreimbursed care under
EMTALA. In Los Angeles, 95% of outstanding homicide warrants are for
Illegal Aliens, likewise for 66% of fugitive felony warrants. The
notorious 18th Street Gang has 20,000 members the California
Department of Justice deems 60% Illegal Aliens, but 80% according to
the Los Angeles Police Department. The Lil’ Cycos Gang notorious for
murder, racketeering, and drugs in Los Angeles’s MacArthur Park was
thought 60% illegals in 2002, though higher now. Francisco Martinez of
the Mexican Mafia ran the gang from prison while incarcerated for
felonious reentry after deportation.[20]

Illegal Aliens move freely in crime sanctuary cities. [21],[22] In Los
Angeles, San Diego, Stockton, New York, Chicago, Miami, Austin, and
Houston, no hospital, physician, city employee, or police officer can
report immigration violators to the Department of Homeland Security’s
Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (the old INS). Los
Angeles Police Department Special Order 40 (begun in 1979 by then
Chief Daryl Gates) prohibits cops from “initiating police action where
the objective is to discover the alien status of a person.”

Daily as many as 10,000 Illegal Aliens cross the 1,940-mile-long
border with Mexico. [23],[24] About 33% are caught. Many try again,
immediately. Authorities estimate about 3,500 Illegal Aliens daily
become permanent U.S. residents, at least 3 million
annually.[25],[26],[27] EMTALA rewards them with extensive, expensive
free medical services if they claim emergency requirement for care.

Government welcomes Illegal Aliens by refusal to police our borders,
by reluctance to prosecute people who violate basic American law, and
by fervor to please those who snidely abuse our generosity and
cynically ply our compassion against ourselves.

Footnotes:

1, Frederic Bastiat's Selected Essays on Political Economy: What is
Seen and What is Unseen. Irvington-on-Hudson, New York: Foundation for
Economic Education, 1995.
2, Madeleine Pelner Cosman's Who Owns Your Body?: Doctors and Patients
Behind Bars. Westport, CT: Praeger, 2005.
3, Chong, J-R. Hawthorne Hospital to Shut Doors. R.F. Kennedy Medical
Center Cites Financial Problems for Closure…Sixth ER in La County This
Year. Los Angeles Times, September 24, 2004.
4, John Goodman, Gerald Musgrave, Devon Herrick's Lives at Risk:
Single Payer National Health Insurance Around the World. Lanham and
New York: National Center for Policy Analysis, Rowman and Littlefield,
2004.
5, Wright, CM. SSI: The Black Hole of the Welfare State. Cato Policy
Analysis 224, April, 1995.
6, Peter J. Ferrara's Social Security: The Inherent Contradiction.
Washington: Cato Institute, 1980.
7, Lee B. Reichman's Time Bomb: The Global Epidemic of Multi-Drug
Resistant Tuberculosis. New York: McGraw Hill Professional, 2001.
www.TBtimebomb.com
8, Laurie Garrett's The Coming Plague. New York: Penguin, 1995.
9, Cosman MP. Medicare and the Criminalization of American Medicine:
1965-1993. 6:1 National Trial Lawyer (1994).
10, Turner GM. HIPAA and the Criminalization of American Medicine.
22:1 Cato Journal, Spring/Summer 2002.
11, 237 F 3d 1074.
12, Arrington v. Wong, 237 F3rd 1066 (9th Cir. January 22, 2001)
13, Roark AC. Surgeon Tires of Effort to Plug Gap in Trauma
Care-Hospitals: A doctor on call in emergency rooms. Los Angeles
Times, December 23, 1990.
14, Weber T., Ornstein C, Landsberg M. King/Drew Trauma Unit Faces
Closure. Drew Proposal Assailed. Los Angeles Times, September 14,
2004.
15, Michelle Malkin's Invasion. Washington: Regnery, 2004.
16, Jon E. Dougherty's Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by our
Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border. Nashville: WND Books, 2004.
17, Roark AC. Surgeon Tires of Effort to Plug Gap in Trauma
Care-Hospitals: A doctor on call in emergency rooms. Los Angeles
Times, December 23, 1990.
18, Heather Mac Donald's The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave. New York:
Manhattan Institute, 2004. www.City-Journal.com
19, Weber, EJ. Does Lack of a Usual Source of Care or Health Insurance
Increase the Likelihood of an Emergency Department Visit? Results of a
National Population-Based Study. Annals of Emergency Medicine,
October, 2004.
20, Heather Mac Donald's The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave. New York:
Manhattan Institute, 2004. www.City-Journal.com
21, Heather Mac Donald's The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave. New York:
Manhattan Institute, 2004. www.City-Journal.com
22, Michelle Malkin's Invasion, Washington: Regnery, 2004.
23, Michelle Malkin's Invasion. Washington: Regnery, 2004.
24, Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform (CAIR)
www.cairco.org/articles
25, DeWeese T. The Mexican Fifth Column. www.fairus.org 2003
26, Guzzardi D. Illegal Aliens: The Health Cost Dimension. January 25,
2003.
27, DeWeese T. The Outrages of the Mexican Invasion. American Policy
Center. www.cairco.org/articles. February 27, 2003.

© 2005 Madeleine Cosman - All Rights Reserved

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:26:48 -0800, Matt Stawicki
wrote:


good to see the bigots are still around
comic relief

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!

Matt

High-tech hospital emergency units degenerated into local free medical
offices. In California, for instance, between 1993 and 2003, 60
hospitals closed because of over 50% of unpaid services, and another
24 California hospitals closed in 2004. Even ambulances from Mexico
come to Emergency Rooms with indigents because the drivers know that
EMTALA requires accepting patients who come within 250 yards of a
hospital. That geographic limit has figured in many lawsuits.[11],[12]

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:48:28 GMT, "Kadaitcha Man"
wrote:

Matt Stawicki, ye raw-boned simple clown, a huge translation of
hypocrisy, vilely compiled, profoundly stupid, ye drawled:

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!


But you wouldn't if you were a poor Mexican peasant, right?

High-tech hospital emergency units degenerated into local free medical
offices. In California, for instance, between 1993 and 2003, 60
hospitals closed because of over 50% of unpaid services, and another
24 California hospitals closed in 2004. Even ambulances from Mexico
come to Emergency Rooms with indigents because the drivers know that
EMTALA requires accepting patients who come within 250 yards of a
hospital. That geographic limit has figured in many lawsuits.[11],[12]

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:06:45 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

I can't see how any American without health insurance can even afford to
have their tonsils removed let alone major surgery.


Somebody paid for it.

Who was it?

Gummer had a heart attack & they fixed it ... he could not
pay ... and buys cigarettes & guns instead of insurance.
--
Cliff

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:20:08 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

Is it that he can't pay because his services aren't in demand?
Tough luck.

I heard that machining in San Diego & California is booming,
that they cannot find people and that screw machine sales
& operations were booming too.
--
Cliff

In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:48:28 GMT, "Kadaitcha Man"
wrote:

Matt Stawicki, ye raw-boned simple clown, a huge translation of
hypocrisy, vilely compiled, profoundly stupid, ye drawled:

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!


But you wouldn't if you were a poor Mexican peasant, right?

High-tech hospital emergency units degenerated into local free medical
offices. In California, for instance, between 1993 and 2003, 60

easy enough to fix
change the law so people dont have access without proof they can pay

so if theyre brought in in a coma or unconscious due to stroke heart attack
or cut out of a mangled car
if the nurse cant find proof of insurance
they can sit in the waiting room until they can provide proof

arf meow arf - cats and dogs living together - who ya goin call
its the end of the world as you know it - filler text goes here
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang