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long distance boat?
What would be your choice for a non motorized minimalist long distance
touring boat suitable for extended trips on large rivers? I'm not so much interested in manufactured name brand boats as I am in TYPES of boats suitable for this use. The following criteria should be used. 1. Light enough for one person to portage over land and car top.80lbs 2. Able to carry enough food and water and gear for one week. I'm guessing 300 lb capacity including person. 3. Able to allow the user to lie down and sleep in the boat if necessary. 4. Able to be paddled by one person, rowed or sailed. 5. Able to withstand large wakes from commercial vessels and pleasure motor boats. Here are the boats that I have seen suggested for this type of use. All fall short in some way, some more than others. Oldtown Discovery Type canoe (difficult for one person to handle) Greenland style kayak (Can't be rowed or sailed easily. Limited capacity. Can't sleep in it. Can't row or sail it. St Lawrence type Skiff Too large to paddle, too heavy to car top. Adirondack Guide boat Too narrow to sail Aleut Style Baidarka Same as Greenland Kayak Barnegat Sneak Box too heavy to car top or portage, can't paddle. Are there any others? Mabey I'm asking alot to be able to paddle, row and sail a boat. Any thoughts appreciated. SteveJ |
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long distance boat?
Pretty nice boats. Pretty expensive too. I wonder what the cross
section amidships looks like. Mike McCrea wrote: Except for the rowing part a Kruger might fit the bill: http://www.krugercanoes.com/ |
long distance boat?
Hi--I'm kind of suprised that you reject a guideboat as being too narrow.
The seem much "beamier" than canoes to me. I don't know how they handle big water (large wakes) though. As per Mike McCrea's post, Kruger boats seem extraordinary. For me, however, one of those sitting by the fire type dreams of a boat... Good luck Bill "steveJ" wrote in message ... What would be your choice for a non motorized minimalist long distance touring boat suitable for extended trips on large rivers? I'm not so much interested in manufactured name brand boats as I am in TYPES of boats suitable for this use. The following criteria should be used. 1. Light enough for one person to portage over land and car top.80lbs 2. Able to carry enough food and water and gear for one week. I'm guessing 300 lb capacity including person. 3. Able to allow the user to lie down and sleep in the boat if necessary. 4. Able to be paddled by one person, rowed or sailed. 5. Able to withstand large wakes from commercial vessels and pleasure motor boats. Here are the boats that I have seen suggested for this type of use. All fall short in some way, some more than others. Oldtown Discovery Type canoe (difficult for one person to handle) Greenland style kayak (Can't be rowed or sailed easily. Limited capacity. Can't sleep in it. Can't row or sail it. St Lawrence type Skiff Too large to paddle, too heavy to car top. Adirondack Guide boat Too narrow to sail Aleut Style Baidarka Same as Greenland Kayak Barnegat Sneak Box too heavy to car top or portage, can't paddle. Are there any others? Mabey I'm asking alot to be able to paddle, row and sail a boat. Any thoughts appreciated. SteveJ -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
long distance boat?
I was wondering what people were going to come up with as far as a long
distance boat. My impression was that Steve was asking for the impossible, although a Folboat might come pretty close. I believe that a Folboat has crossed the atlantic. When you are talking about remote trips, long or short, a folding boat makes a lot of sense. I guess that would be my dream boat, one I could put in a duffel, and then travel by bus, plane, floatplane, horse, porter, or any other means. I believe that some of the folding kayaks could be paddled, sailed, rowed, cartopped, etc, and many of them are designed for serious tripping. The Cruz book on Folding Kayaks is worth reading. I enjoyed reading about a Kruger trip the length of the Yukon River, 80 days, Mr. Kruger was about 80 years old when he did it in 2002. The link is below. Not sure what will happen to the company when he dies, but then he must have been in good health in 2002 to complete an 80 day river trip! http://www.hansonhomestead.com/Yukon...onHomePage.htm Richard Mike McCrea wrote: Except for the rowing part a Kruger might fit the bill: http://www.krugercanoes.com/ |
long distance boat?
If you're looking for a Kruger design without spending tons of bucks,
you might look for a used Loon or Monarch. The Loon is a design which predates the Dreamcatcher, but it still has an extensive expedition pedigree. The Loons were built by Sawyer until the late 80's. Mad River built a version called the Monarch which is very similar. I believe both were used on the circumnavigation of South America, but my memory is fuzzy, it may have just been the Loon on that trip. Used Loons, when they can be found, are not all that expensive. Our shop currently has 2, a 43lb Kevlar version for $1750, and a 55lb Glass for $1250. They are the Sawyer version, with the 4 way seat (adjusts up, down, forward and backwards) and a rudder. If you look online you might be able to find one locally for a good price, shipping boats is expensive so I am not trying to sell mine here, just giving comparative info. The cross section on a Loon is a shallow arch. The boat is technically a sea-canoe, since it has a canoe hull not a kayak hull (wider, designed for the seat to rest above the waterline, open cockpit). I believe the hull just meets 3/27 racing specifications, it is very fast. If you slide the seat out, there is a 7' cockpit which you can lay down and sleep in. We have run the boats through class II whitewater without problem, they are incredibly seaworthy. For speed raise the seat for a better paddling position, in rougher water drop the seat for a lower center of gravity. I have not tried sailing one, nor have I rigged a rowing system onto it, so I cannot testify to how the boats handle in those scenarios. The Loon and Monarch are built lighter than Krugers boats, because they were being marketed to people more interested in performance than tank like durability. The only downside is the rudders are very old, and probably should be retrofitted with something a little more modern. However like Mike said, they meet the criteria. We have used them for 2+ week trips, so they have plenty of capacity. Another boat which would meet the criteria is a Klepper, however it is not nearly as fast as a Kruger. You can sleep in a Klepper, you can sail them, they have been used to cross the Atlantic. The only downside is their speed, or lack thereof. Incidentally the Klepper and the Kruger look similar, and if you are just looking for the type of craft that can do what you are looking for, it will probably share a similar design. Eric |
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You should seriously look at folding kayaks like Folbot (www.folbot.com), Klepper and some others. Look at using the double with a single seat setup. These folding boats can easily carry 300 pounds of stuff. They paddle well and have been sailed around the cape, accross the Atlantic and countless expeditions. The Folbot double is about 60 lbs, you can carry wheels to help portages if you want, some fold very small. And you can break them down if you want to portage that way. They sail well and some have rowing options as well as the usual kayak paddling position. People have slept in them in a pinch. For your stated needs you couldn't better describe the strong points of folding kayaks. Check out "The Complete Folding Kayaker" by Ralph Diaz. In article , steveJ wrote: What would be your choice for a non motorized minimalist long distance touring boat suitable for extended trips on large rivers? I'm not so much interested in manufactured name brand boats as I am in TYPES of boats suitable for this use. The following criteria should be used. 1. Light enough for one person to portage over land and car top.80lbs 2. Able to carry enough food and water and gear for one week. I'm guessing 300 lb capacity including person. 3. Able to allow the user to lie down and sleep in the boat if necessary. 4. Able to be paddled by one person, rowed or sailed. 5. Able to withstand large wakes from commercial vessels and pleasure motor boats. -- delete "X" for correct email address |
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Well I actually have a guideboat that I built myself.
What I meant is that it's too narrow to sail. While I have not tried putting a sail on it, I don't think it would sail very well. It is also just a little too wide to paddle comfortably. I think the guide boat is close to what I'm lookng for but it is primarily a rowing craft.Be nice to have something to face foward in. My boat is narrower at the water line than most canoes but wider at the gunwales, so initiial stability is less than a canoe. Also, the freeboard is a little low to handle power boat wakes. WG wrote: Hi--I'm kind of suprised that you reject a guideboat as being too narrow. The seem much "beamier" than canoes to me. I don't know how they handle big water (large wakes) though. As per Mike McCrea's post, Kruger boats seem extraordinary. For me, however, one of those sitting by the fire type dreams of a boat... Good luck Bill "steveJ" wrote in message ... What would be your choice for a non motorized minimalist long distance touring boat suitable for extended trips on large rivers? I'm not so much interested in manufactured name brand boats as I am in TYPES of boats suitable for this use. The following criteria should be used. 1. Light enough for one person to portage over land and car top.80lbs 2. Able to carry enough food and water and gear for one week. I'm guessing 300 lb capacity including person. 3. Able to allow the user to lie down and sleep in the boat if necessary. 4. Able to be paddled by one person, rowed or sailed. 5. Able to withstand large wakes from commercial vessels and pleasure motor boats. Here are the boats that I have seen suggested for this type of use. All fall short in some way, some more than others. Oldtown Discovery Type canoe (difficult for one person to handle) Greenland style kayak (Can't be rowed or sailed easily. Limited capacity. Can't sleep in it. Can't row or sail it. St Lawrence type Skiff Too large to paddle, too heavy to car top. Adirondack Guide boat Too narrow to sail Aleut Style Baidarka Same as Greenland Kayak Barnegat Sneak Box too heavy to car top or portage, can't paddle. Are there any others? Mabey I'm asking alot to be able to paddle, row and sail a boat. Any thoughts appreciated. SteveJ -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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People did, and still do, sail guide boats.
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:56:38 GMT, steveJ wrote: Well I actually have a guideboat that I built myself. What I meant is that it's too narrow to sail. While I have not tried putting a sail on it, I don't think it would sail very well. It is also just a little too wide to paddle comfortably. I think the guide boat is close to what I'm lookng for but it is primarily a rowing craft.Be nice to have something to face foward in. My boat is narrower at the water line than most canoes but wider at the gunwales, so initiial stability is less than a canoe. Also, the freeboard is a little low to handle power boat wakes. WG wrote: Hi--I'm kind of suprised that you reject a guideboat as being too narrow. The seem much "beamier" than canoes to me. I don't know how they handle big water (large wakes) though. As per Mike McCrea's post, Kruger boats seem extraordinary. For me, however, one of those sitting by the fire type dreams of a boat... Good luck Bill "steveJ" wrote in message ... What would be your choice for a non motorized minimalist long distance touring boat suitable for extended trips on large rivers? I'm not so much interested in manufactured name brand boats as I am in TYPES of boats suitable for this use. The following criteria should be used. 1. Light enough for one person to portage over land and car top.80lbs 2. Able to carry enough food and water and gear for one week. I'm guessing 300 lb capacity including person. 3. Able to allow the user to lie down and sleep in the boat if necessary. 4. Able to be paddled by one person, rowed or sailed. 5. Able to withstand large wakes from commercial vessels and pleasure motor boats. Here are the boats that I have seen suggested for this type of use. All fall short in some way, some more than others. Oldtown Discovery Type canoe (difficult for one person to handle) Greenland style kayak (Can't be rowed or sailed easily. Limited capacity. Can't sleep in it. Can't row or sail it. St Lawrence type Skiff Too large to paddle, too heavy to car top. Adirondack Guide boat Too narrow to sail Aleut Style Baidarka Same as Greenland Kayak Barnegat Sneak Box too heavy to car top or portage, can't paddle. Are there any others? Mabey I'm asking alot to be able to paddle, row and sail a boat. Any thoughts appreciated. SteveJ -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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