A taboo subject in this group. PLEASE DON'T ASK THIS QUESTION AGAIN.

back40 wrote:
Or have comments on sponsons vs paddle floats?

lcopps wrote:

A taboo subject in this group. PLEASE DON'T ASK THIS QUESTION AGAIN.

I disagree. This should be brought up periodically in order to educate
people who may be considering them based on the misinformation provided
by you-know-who. Not only will it save people money, it may save a life.
If one were to believe Tim-bo, one might be led to believe that they
need not carry much more important safety gear or learn vital paddling
skills, since he portrays sponsons as a safety panacea. Paddlers need to
know the truth about the lack of utility of sponsons.

I totally disagree.

The Web is tremendous power and if people are using it to sell stuff
that is useless or dangerous we need experienced people to remind us
on a regular
basis that some of it is total crap.

Its like a bullet looking for a war.

Brian Nystrom wrote:
lcopps wrote:

A taboo subject in this group. PLEASE DON'T ASK THIS QUESTION AGAIN.


I disagree. This should be brought up periodically in order to educate
people who may be considering them based on the misinformation provided
by you-know-who. Not only will it save people money, it may save a life.
If one were to believe Tim-bo, one might be led to believe that they
need not carry much more important safety gear or learn vital paddling
skills, since he portrays sponsons as a safety panacea. Paddlers need to
know the truth about the lack of utility of sponsons.

I guess you have not been here long enough to know the painful history
behind this subject.

Serge wrote:

I totally disagree.

The Web is tremendous power and if people are using it to sell stuff
that is useless or dangerous we need experienced people to remind us
on a regular
basis that some of it is total crap.

"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
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lcopps wrote:

A taboo subject in this group. PLEASE DON'T ASK THIS QUESTION AGAIN.

I disagree. This should be brought up periodically in order to educate
people who may be considering them based on the misinformation provided
by you-know-who. Not only will it save people money, it may save a life.
If one were to believe Tim-bo, one might be led to believe that they
need not carry much more important safety gear or learn vital paddling
skills, since he portrays sponsons as a safety panacea. Paddlers need to
know the truth about the lack of utility of sponsons.

I agree with Brian. I was through the last war or 2 when Timmy plagued RBP.
I don't want to see his return, but I do believe that his "safety" product
should be discussed. If we stifle discussion on sponsons, novices won't have
any view but Timmy's.

Lloyd Bowles
www.madcanoeist.4ever.cc

See:
http://www.bconnex.net/~timkayak/canoe.html

Tim

"Lloyd Bowles" wrote in message om...
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
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lcopps wrote:

A taboo subject in this group. PLEASE DON'T ASK THIS QUESTION AGAIN.

I disagree. This should be brought up periodically in order to educate
people who may be considering them based on the misinformation provided
by you-know-who. Not only will it save people money, it may save a life.
If one were to believe Tim-bo, one might be led to believe that they
need not carry much more important safety gear or learn vital paddling
skills, since he portrays sponsons as a safety panacea. Paddlers need to
know the truth about the lack of utility of sponsons.

I agree with Brian. I was through the last war or 2 when Timmy plagued RBP.
I don't want to see his return, but I do believe that his "safety" product
should be discussed. If we stifle discussion on sponsons, novices won't have
any view but Timmy's.

Lloyd Bowles
www.madcanoeist.4ever.cc

On 2/20/2004 6:27 AM, Tim Ingram wrote:

See:
http://www.bconnex.net/~timkayak/canoe.html

Tim

Here we go again... someone just had take the bait.

Don't feed the trolls,
Steve

If you are a canoeist & want to participate in canoe safety discussion
without spammers & idiots, just cruise over to Canadian Canoe Routes at
http://www.myccr.com/ . It's moderated & it's very active.

Lloyd Bowles
www.madcanoeist.4ever.cc

Dear Lloyd:

You initiated "the need to discuss sponsons", as the record shows.

Now you want a "moderated" (i.e. censored) discussion. A discussion
cannot have one side. I want you to know that these posts are included
in a very large social psychology experiment.

You see, Milgram had a lot of flack at Yale in the 60's, for hurting
subjects psychologically. But this newsgroup already puts paddlers in
the water with no means of escape. (Hurting them terminally.) So they
die anyway. I am well within any legal and academic ethical
boundaries. In fact I need to occasionally show that I do everything
possible to try to prevent canoe and kayak deaths.

What is interesting for the study is your discussion, among others.
Not only that, you continue to wish the worst for future dead Girl
Guides etc. (No means to escape deadly waters.) Those dear little
girls were wearing PFDs of course.

Anyone can see:

http://www.bconnex.net/~timkayak/canoe.html

and they have no wonder that sales decline etc., in a sport that wants
to make it as hard as possible to get out of the water and live. Even
for kids. Not a good move for decent people. Or anyone trying to
promote a sport. Sell by safety. And other positive benefits. No point
making boats that hurt people, when they can be remarkably safe!

Tim


"Lloyd Bowles" wrote in message om...
If you are a canoeist & want to participate in canoe safety discussion
without spammers & idiots, just cruise over to Canadian Canoe Routes at
http://www.myccr.com/ . It's moderated & it's very active.

Lloyd Bowles
www.madcanoeist.4ever.cc