Cyli wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:02:16 GMT, "No Spam"

wrote:

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Nice to know there are others out there with a Dancer that is a
little snug.
It takes everything that boat has to keep me afloat. I have removed
the
plastic bit under the front combing edge and that gets me into the
thing. I
was somewhat worried that I would not come out in a wet exit but
when the
time came, it came off like a good pair of pants. I love the looks I
get
when I show up with it. I'm 6' 1'' and about 275-285 depending on
what I had
for breakfast ; and most people where I go have huge canoes and are
shocked
that I am actually going to go out in my "little" boat.

I'm short and chubby and old enough to be less than agile. Bad for
getting in and out of a Dancer. But they're so* nice to paddle.
Even
though I don't do whitewater. I once thought I would (about the time
I bought it) but then I tried it a bit and, while it's fun to go
downriver upside down very fast, I wasn't able to do the roll. Had
to
pop the skirt every time and swim the little boat down to where I
could drain it and force my way back in. It makes a nice
recreational
boat, especially in backwaters and swamps. One can go over a tree
trunk that any other boat would have to beach and pull around. You
push that nose up, reach down to the sides and do a hand push (can't
do that much more, either. Bummer.) and slide yourself right over.
Places anyone else has to get out to pull over the sand bar, you just
dig the paddle in the sand and scoot over it, if there's any water
flowing across it. One does have to learn how to paddle in a
straight
line, but that comes along well.



Cyli
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Cyli, Your the kind of gal I would like to see on the survivor program,
any chance you would volunteer? TnT

On 4 Apr 2005 23:09:30 -0700, "Tinkerntom" wrote:



Cyli
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Cyli, Your the kind of gal I would like to see on the survivor program,
any chance you would volunteer? TnT


I'd be voted off more quickly than I heard the first guy on the first
show was. The guy that was the only one that knew how to start a
fire...

What little I've seen of it is full of people who want to be movie or
TV actors. Young pretty people in good shape. I don't fit any of
those qualifications. Oh, yeah, and I can be a tad abrasive if I'm
sure I'm right and no one agrees with me. And it's likely no one
would. Most of them (again from the very little I've seen) have
brains the size of walnuts and have common sense factors in the minus
range.

I did see one of their contests all the way through once (my husband
went downstairs to use the computer, so the channels didn't change).
One where the people were shooting at pumpkins or something like that.
Duh. This is not survivalism at basic. You walk over, grab the
pumpkin, cut it open and take it away to cook it. You don't, if in
real need, make a bow and arrow first thing, you make pit traps or
deadfalls or nets. Then you make bows and arrows. Or atalals (sp?
Spear throwers, whatever they're called).

Anyway, I think you can see now why I'd not enter one, even if I were
in good shape. After three days with what I've seen of those people
I'd possibly use any bow and arrows they gave me to shoot the guide,
the other contestants, or, better yet, the producer, if I didn't
shortcut it all and use the arrow to slit my wrists (remember, it's
down, not across).

But thank you for the compliment.

Cyli
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Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

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Cyli wrote:
On 4 Apr 2005 23:09:30 -0700, "Tinkerntom" wrote:



Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
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Cyli, Your the kind of gal I would like to see on the survivor
program,
any chance you would volunteer? TnT


I'd be voted off more quickly than I heard the first guy on the first
show was. The guy that was the only one that knew how to start a
fire...

What little I've seen of it is full of people who want to be movie or
TV actors. Young pretty people in good shape. I don't fit any of
those qualifications. Oh, yeah, and I can be a tad abrasive if I'm
sure I'm right and no one agrees with me. And it's likely no one
would. Most of them (again from the very little I've seen) have
brains the size of walnuts and have common sense factors in the minus
range.

I did see one of their contests all the way through once (my husband
went downstairs to use the computer, so the channels didn't change).
One where the people were shooting at pumpkins or something like
that.
Duh. This is not survivalism at basic. You walk over, grab the
pumpkin, cut it open and take it away to cook it. You don't, if in
real need, make a bow and arrow first thing, you make pit traps or
deadfalls or nets. Then you make bows and arrows. Or atalals (sp?
Spear throwers, whatever they're called).

Anyway, I think you can see now why I'd not enter one, even if I were
in good shape. After three days with what I've seen of those people
I'd possibly use any bow and arrows they gave me to shoot the guide,
the other contestants, or, better yet, the producer, if I didn't
shortcut it all and use the arrow to slit my wrists (remember, it's
down, not across).

But thank you for the compliment.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)


Like I said, you more than qualify for a real survival show. There have
been some of the more mature women on the show, but I agree that most
of it seems to have little to do with real survival, and more to do
with social climbing in a semi-primitive setting.

I always figured the tribe that wants to survive should raid the other
tribe, maybe bash a few knee caps to weaken the competition, and
generally cause havoc. Maybe go after the producers camp. Now we can
have a real program, with Jeff living on the beach. TnT

On 5 Apr 2005 06:11:26 -0700, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

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Like I said, you more than qualify for a real survival show. There have
been some of the more mature women on the show, but I agree that most
of it seems to have little to do with real survival, and more to do
with social climbing in a semi-primitive setting.

I always figured the tribe that wants to survive should raid the other
tribe, maybe bash a few knee caps to weaken the competition, and
generally cause havoc. Maybe go after the producers camp. Now we can
have a real program, with Jeff living on the beach. TnT

Format has changed or I watched too little of it. I didn't know there
were two tribes competing. Geeze. Too much silliness for Cyli.

With real tribes you don't raid until there's a need. Usually a need
to get rid of some of the too many young over-testosteroned men who
are pretty useless if you've already got enough hunters. True
primitives tended to wander apart from one another most of the time.
As tribes got larger there was warfare and trade, but these start out
with 20 people or less for the 'reality' show, don't they? Insane.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

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Cyli wrote:
On 5 Apr 2005 06:11:26 -0700, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

(snipped)
Like I said, you more than qualify for a real survival show. There
have
been some of the more mature women on the show, but I agree that
most
of it seems to have little to do with real survival, and more to do
with social climbing in a semi-primitive setting.

I always figured the tribe that wants to survive should raid the
other
tribe, maybe bash a few knee caps to weaken the competition, and
generally cause havoc. Maybe go after the producers camp. Now we can
have a real program, with Jeff living on the beach. TnT

Format has changed or I watched too little of it. I didn't know
there
were two tribes competing. Geeze. Too much silliness for Cyli.

With real tribes you don't raid until there's a need. Usually a need
to get rid of some of the too many young over-testosteroned men who
are pretty useless if you've already got enough hunters. True
primitives tended to wander apart from one another most of the time.
As tribes got larger there was warfare and trade, but these start out
with 20 people or less for the 'reality' show, don't they? Insane.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Usually they start out with two tribes, but one recent series, I think
they had three. I watched the first series with anticipation, but once
you get the dynamics of the very small society figured out, subsequent
series have been boring. The producers in order to capture our
subsequent attention, have to keep coming up with some angle, none of
which has anything to do with survival.

I read about a couple who purposely stranded themselves on a South
Pacific island to see if they could survive in paradise. They just
about died, and would have except for some locals from an adjacent
island. The Locals wanted to know why anyone would want to live on this
particular island that was infested with a particular sand flea, that
made you very ill. Plus there was no local sourse of water. They were
surprised that anyone could be so dumb.

Reminds me of some of these series that have turned out to be pretty
dumb, especially when you get sleep and food deprived bimbos and
bimbobs, trying to make a decision about who to vote off, when they can
hardly stay in the game themselves.

In one series they made their camp right down on the beach which worked
until high tide. In another, they camped in a riverbed, that ended with
a flashflood. Another they caught their camp on fire. Obviously things
you would want to avoid, but you would think that there would be some
good boy scouts and girl scouts somewhere to be in the games. How CBS
chooses such loosers is amazing, unless they are going for the "OH no,
Groan Factor"! TnT

On 6 Apr 2005 04:57:54 -0700, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

(snipped)

. How CBS
chooses such loosers is amazing, unless they are going for the "OH no,
Groan Factor"! TnT


They're going for the great legs on pretty babes and good abs on boy
toys factors gaining watchers, I suppose.

There are few people who could stand being stranded in their own
vehicle on a roadside for overnight. This is one of the unfortunate
things that they were probably counting on when they introduced the
idea of 'Survival' reality shows. Then they got the voting off idea
combined with it. If they had left the voting off to the guides /
trainers / or even the producers / directors, it might have made more
sense. When it comes down to some bubble headed star / starlet
wannabe figuring how she / he can stay on more shows, well, it's
obvious that the really nice or really competent ones have to be
removed, isn't it? The more shows you can stay on, the more producers
/ directors of movies and TV are apt to see you and be impressed by
your body and your smile and your voice. And they don't care if
you're a bubble head. They may approve of it, considering it'll make
you easier to manage. Though I doubt that last part enters the bubble
headed mind.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
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Cyli wrote:
On 6 Apr 2005 04:57:54 -0700, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

(snipped)

. How CBS
chooses such loosers is amazing, unless they are going for the "OH
no,
Groan Factor"! TnT


They're going for the great legs on pretty babes and good abs on boy
toys factors gaining watchers, I suppose.

There are few people who could stand being stranded in their own
vehicle on a roadside for overnight. This is one of the unfortunate
things that they were probably counting on when they introduced the
idea of 'Survival' reality shows. Then they got the voting off idea
combined with it. If they had left the voting off to the guides /
trainers / or even the producers / directors, it might have made more
sense. When it comes down to some bubble headed star / starlet
wannabe figuring how she / he can stay on more shows, well, it's
obvious that the really nice or really competent ones have to be
removed, isn't it? The more shows you can stay on, the more
producers
/ directors of movies and TV are apt to see you and be impressed by
your body and your smile and your voice. And they don't care if
you're a bubble head. They may approve of it, considering it'll make
you easier to manage. Though I doubt that last part enters the
bubble
headed mind.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Your mention of a coracle earlier, reminded me of one show, where they
did not have a boat, and I was screaming at the Tv. You are on an
Island with all kinds of building materials, and you have a big plastic
tarp, make a SOF boat. Obviously they did not hear me. They spent most
of the series swimming to another island, for fresh water.

One program they had an active duty SEAL to start the program, and he
had a pretty good idea how to survive the elements. He only lasted
through the 2nd episode. I figure CBS decided he needed to go, and it
had nothing to do with the voting.

Oh well such is reality TV! TnT