can we talk about paddling now?
 

I've been waiting patiently to read about paddling and touring trips.
Really tired of this other subject that keeps popping up.
Let's hear about water sports...
I'm a canoest, and seakayaker...and want to read and talk about
that...isn't that why we signed up here? If not let me know, and I'll
unsubscribe and move on...

Let's give it a go..eh?

On 31 Mar 2005 09:38:52 -0800, "
wrote:

I've been waiting patiently to read about paddling and touring trips.
Really tired of this other subject that keeps popping up.
Let's hear about water sports...
I'm a canoest, and seakayaker...and want to read and talk about
that...isn't that why we signed up here? If not let me know, and I'll
unsubscribe and move on...

Let's give it a go..eh?

OK. I take it your post containing nothing about paddling is exactly the
type of thing you complain about, right?

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Illiterate? Write for FREE help

in article ,
at wrote on 3/31/05 12:38 PM:

I've been waiting patiently to read about paddling and touring trips.
Really tired of this other subject that keeps popping up.
Let's hear about water sports...
I'm a canoest, and seakayaker...and want to read and talk about
that...isn't that why we signed up here? If not let me know, and I'll
unsubscribe and move on...

Threats like "behave more like I want you to or I will leave" are seldom a
good way to motivate people.

Let's give it a go..eh?

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread and see where
it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world to provide the
type of discussion you are looking for.

That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside from telling
you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say for another
couple of weeks :)

On 31 Mar 2005 09:38:52 -0800, "
wrote:

I've been waiting patiently to read about paddling and touring trips.
Really tired of this other subject that keeps popping up.
Let's hear about water sports...
I'm a canoest, and seakayaker...and want to read and talk about
that...isn't that why we signed up here? If not let me know, and I'll
unsubscribe and move on...

Let's give it a go..eh?


Shall I say, "You first." or "Bub bye now." ?

Instead of whining and threatening to deprive us of your, possibly
otherwise nice, company, why don't you tell us what and where you
paddle and what's good or bad about it?

All I paddle are a canoe (rental the last couple of years since I gave
away my stipper) and a recreational Old Town Otter kayak and (when I
lose 5 more pounds?) an old Perception Dancer that I use like a
recreational kayak.

I do them on lakes and the St. Croix River in MN/WI. Like them all,
Lke the places except that too many other people in canoes like the
'Croix on warm weekends. But the backwaters remove most of the
aluminum hatch from sight and sound.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

in article , Cyli at
lid wrote on 4/1/05 12:08 AM:


Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

Excellent sig!

I too speak to squirrels. Minnows do not worship me, however.

I once caught a speckled trout that was so cute it put my off fishing.
Apparently there are gar pike in the area where I've recently moved and that
has me a bit excited about fish again.

Like most people I am almost entirely harmless until there comes a time when
I am not.

RBC makes Canadians think of a large chartered bank.

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread and see where
it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world to provide
the
type of discussion you are looking for.

KMAN:
===========
That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside from telling
you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say for another
couple of weeks :)
================

I think I'm going to bolt my roofrack contraption together tomorrow.

Wilf
===========

in article D353e.866271$8l.306388@pd7tw1no, frtzw906 at
wrote on 4/1/05 12:34 AM:

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread and see where
it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world to provide
the
type of discussion you are looking for.

KMAN:
===========
That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside from telling
you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say for another
couple of weeks :)
================

I think I'm going to bolt my roofrack contraption together tomorrow.

Wilf
===========

I think I will inspect various ropes for evidence of fraying.

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article D353e.866271$8l.306388@pd7tw1no, frtzw906 at

wrote on 4/1/05 12:34 AM:

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread and see
where
it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world to provide
the
type of discussion you are looking for.

KMAN:
===========
That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside from
telling
you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say for another
couple of weeks :)
================

I think I'm going to bolt my roofrack contraption together tomorrow.

Wilf
===========

I think I will inspect various ropes for evidence of fraying.
=================
C'mon KMAN, you're supposed to take this seriously. I REALLY am going to
bolt my contraption together. That is, is the rain holds off, because I have
to lay it out on the picnic table to do so (and I don't want to get wet).

I think I'll also work on some biking trip reports (website). Which reminds
me, a number of the links to pictures on your website are dead-ends. Did you
know that?

frtzw906

KMAN wrote:
in article D353e.866271$8l.306388@pd7tw1no, frtzw906 at

wrote on 4/1/05 12:34 AM:

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread and
see where
it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world to
provide
the
type of discussion you are looking for.

KMAN:
===========
That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside from
telling
you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say for
another
couple of weeks :)
================

I think I'm going to bolt my roofrack contraption together
tomorrow.

Wilf
===========

I think I will inspect various ropes for evidence of fraying.

Landlubbers call them ropes, they're called lines! TnT

Tink:
=========
Landlubbers call them ropes, they're called lines! TnT
=============

Sorry to disappoint, sailors call them sheets.

Wilf

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink:
=========
Landlubbers call them ropes, they're called lines! TnT
=============

Sorry to disappoint, sailors call them sheets.

Wilf

And then there are painters!

Somewhere I say a website that described all the different lines with
their corresponding names on a 4-masted ship. Pretty amazing.

Of course being land locked and icebound will make a land lubber out of
most sane men. Hopefully for KMAN's sake the ice melts soon! TnT

Tink hopes:
==========
Of course being land locked and icebound will make a land lubber out of
most sane men. Hopefully for KMAN's sake the ice melts soon! TnT
=========

But I think he should fix those broken pic links on his website first
;-) frayed sheets/line/ropes can wait.

Wilf

Tink, I'm pleased to report the contraption is "together" and it bears
my signatu "workmanship like crap". However, I think, with a few
modifications, it'll work just fine.

For example, the U-bolts to attach to the existing factory r-rack: well
they worked in theory (story of my life), but when I got it up on the
roof it looked like Plan B, with slightly different sized U-bolts,
would have to be activated.

I've got two 7.5' longitudinal 2x4's with two 2x6 cross pieces (with
hull curvature cut into them) plus one 2x3 (hey, that's what I had
lying around the back 40) cross piece right at the front of the
contraption.

I'm quite pleased with my cut-out bits as there's nary a sliver of
light (OK, OK, a sliver or two) between the hull and the 2x6 cross
pieces. Once I glue some foam to that, I think it'll be awesome.

The middle cross piece is directly under the middle bulwark and the aft
cross piece is about 2" from the aft bulwark (given the configuration
of the factory r-rack, that's the best I could do).

The forward cross piece (2x3) is about 2.5' in front of the mid one,
and provides some nice extra support so that I don't have the feeling
that the front will be flopping about (there'll still be about 6' out
front of that which is unsupported).

Once I got it together, I was pleased to note that it really wasn't
that heavy and could easily be popped on to the roof.

A few things to do yet: gotta get some brackets to lend stability to
the frame, glue on the foam, drill some holes for ropes.... finito!

Although I have a feeling that there'll be no end to this.

Wilf

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink hopes:
==========
Of course being land locked and icebound will make a land lubber out
of
most sane men. Hopefully for KMAN's sake the ice melts soon! TnT
=========

But I think he should fix those broken pic links on his website first
;-) frayed sheets/line/ropes can wait.

Wilf

Granted there is alot up his way that needs to be fixed, might as well
fix the broken links first. Those being his contact with the rest of us
sane folk out here. TnT

On 1-Apr-2005, "BCITORGB" wrote:

Sorry to disappoint, sailors call them sheets.

Nope - TnT is right - they are lines. Sheets are specific
types of lines - they are attached to the clew of a sail and
are used to control the sail. Guys are attached to the tack
of a sail and halyards are attached to the heads of sails.
This terminology for triangular sails - rectangular (or more
generally, four sided) sails use slightly different names.

There's lots of other lines too.

Mike

KMAN wrote in
:

in article D353e.866271$8l.306388@pd7tw1no, frtzw906 at
wrote on 4/1/05 12:34 AM:

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread and see
where it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world
to provide the type of discussion you are looking for.

KMAN:
===========
That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside from
telling you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say
for another couple of weeks :)
================

I think I'm going to bolt my roofrack contraption together tomorrow.

Wilf
===========

I think I will inspect various ropes for evidence of fraying.


I'm going to drill about 16 holes in the deck of my cedar strip kayak.

I've never cared much for the deck fittings (web loops) I originally
installed so I'm going to build in some recessed fittings. The fittings are
simply small pieces of mahogany, about an inch long, 1/4" wide, and 1/2"
deep with two holes drilled in the side. The holes in the deck will be
drilled with a 1" forstner bit, and the a 2" (or so) diameter piece of wood
(probably red cedar) will cover the hole under the deck and will be epoxied
in place. Then I'll use the same forstner bit do drill into the under deck
covers to a depth such that the fittings will be flush with the top of the
deck. I'll epoxy the fittings into place, then sand the deck around the
fittings for a piece of fiberglass cloth covering the fittings. After
filling in weave, the rest of the deck and hull will be get a light sanding
before putting on several coats of varnish. When I'm done the boat will
have a much nice deck rigging layout and will likely look better than the
day I first launched it.

Mike:
==========
Nope - TnT is right - they are lines. Sheets are specific
types of lines
=========

Yeah, I know. But as an ex-sailor I had to be the smart-ass.

Wilf

I'm not a very handy guy and the lack of a drawing doesn't help a
dimwit like me figure this out. But here's my question: won't you have
16 holes in which water will pool? If so, I'm guessing that it's not an
issue?

Wilf
=========

BCITORGB wrote:
Mike:
==========
Nope - TnT is right - they are lines. Sheets are specific
types of lines
=========

Yeah, I know. But as an ex-sailor I had to be the smart-ass.

Wilf

Wilf, therein lies the problem, this NG is for paddle craft. The sailor
are three doors down and on the right. The only things sheets are good
for around here is to wrap yourself up in with the honey, and snuggle!
TnT

"frtzw906" wrote in message
news:Oo53e.865869$6l.842496@pd7tw2no...

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article D353e.866271$8l.306388@pd7tw1no, frtzw906 at

wrote on 4/1/05 12:34 AM:

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread and see
where
it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world to
provide
the
type of discussion you are looking for.

KMAN:
===========
That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside from
telling
you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say for another
couple of weeks :)
================

I think I'm going to bolt my roofrack contraption together tomorrow.

Wilf
===========

I think I will inspect various ropes for evidence of fraying.
=================
C'mon KMAN, you're supposed to take this seriously. I REALLY am going to
bolt my contraption together. That is, is the rain holds off, because I
have to lay it out on the picnic table to do so (and I don't want to get
wet).

I think I'll also work on some biking trip reports (website). Which
reminds me, a number of the links to pictures on your website are
dead-ends. Did you know that?

frtzw906

Yeah, it needs a total overhaul. Moved to a new server. Thanks for the
reminder.

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article D353e.866271$8l.306388@pd7tw1no, frtzw906 at

wrote on 4/1/05 12:34 AM:

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread and
see where
it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world to
provide
the
type of discussion you are looking for.

KMAN:
===========
That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside from
telling
you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say for
another
couple of weeks :)
================

I think I'm going to bolt my roofrack contraption together
tomorrow.

Wilf
===========

I think I will inspect various ropes for evidence of fraying.

Landlubbers call them ropes, they're called lines! TnT

No, I'm talking about ropes. I've got various ropes in the shed.

KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article D353e.866271$8l.306388@pd7tw1no, frtzw906 at

wrote on 4/1/05 12:34 AM:

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread
and
see where
it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world
to
provide
the
type of discussion you are looking for.

KMAN:
===========
That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside
from
telling
you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say for
another
couple of weeks :)
================

I think I'm going to bolt my roofrack contraption together
tomorrow.

Wilf
===========

I think I will inspect various ropes for evidence of fraying.

Landlubbers call them ropes, they're called lines! TnT

No, I'm talking about ropes. I've got various ropes in the shed.

As I came home tonight, I got to thinking that you might have meant
ropes for something other than boating, though personally I chuckled at
the thought of seeing you down at the corral ropen' and branden' and
cutten' them doggies! TnT

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 4/1/05 10:57 PM:


KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article D353e.866271$8l.306388@pd7tw1no, frtzw906 at

wrote on 4/1/05 12:34 AM:

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread
and
see where
it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world
to
provide
the
type of discussion you are looking for.

KMAN:
===========
That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside
from
telling
you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say for
another
couple of weeks :)
================

I think I'm going to bolt my roofrack contraption together
tomorrow.

Wilf
===========

I think I will inspect various ropes for evidence of fraying.

Landlubbers call them ropes, they're called lines! TnT

No, I'm talking about ropes. I've got various ropes in the shed.

As I came home tonight, I got to thinking that you might have meant
ropes for something other than boating, though personally I chuckled at
the thought of seeing you down at the corral ropen' and branden' and
cutten' them doggies! TnT

Please keep your sexual fantasies to yourself.

KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 4/1/05 10:57 PM:


KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article D353e.866271$8l.306388@pd7tw1no, frtzw906 at

wrote on 4/1/05 12:34 AM:

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread
and
see where
it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world
to
provide
the
type of discussion you are looking for.

KMAN:
===========
That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside
from
telling
you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say
for
another
couple of weeks :)
================

I think I'm going to bolt my roofrack contraption together
tomorrow.

Wilf
===========

I think I will inspect various ropes for evidence of fraying.

Landlubbers call them ropes, they're called lines! TnT

No, I'm talking about ropes. I've got various ropes in the shed.

As I came home tonight, I got to thinking that you might have meant
ropes for something other than boating, though personally I
chuckled at
the thought of seeing you down at the corral ropen' and branden'
and
cutten' them doggies! TnT

Please keep your sexual fantasies to yourself.

Is that what you do with ropes? TnT

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink, I'm pleased to report the contraption is "together" and it
bears
my signatu "workmanship like crap". However, I think, with a few
modifications, it'll work just fine.

For example, the U-bolts to attach to the existing factory r-rack:
well
they worked in theory (story of my life), but when I got it up on the
roof it looked like Plan B, with slightly different sized U-bolts,
would have to be activated.

I've got two 7.5' longitudinal 2x4's with two 2x6 cross pieces (with
hull curvature cut into them) plus one 2x3 (hey, that's what I had
lying around the back 40) cross piece right at the front of the
contraption.

I'm quite pleased with my cut-out bits as there's nary a sliver of
light (OK, OK, a sliver or two) between the hull and the 2x6 cross
pieces. Once I glue some foam to that, I think it'll be awesome.

The middle cross piece is directly under the middle bulwark and the
aft
cross piece is about 2" from the aft bulwark (given the configuration
of the factory r-rack, that's the best I could do).

The forward cross piece (2x3) is about 2.5' in front of the mid one,
and provides some nice extra support so that I don't have the feeling
that the front will be flopping about (there'll still be about 6' out
front of that which is unsupported).

Once I got it together, I was pleased to note that it really wasn't
that heavy and could easily be popped on to the roof.

A few things to do yet: gotta get some brackets to lend stability to
the frame, glue on the foam, drill some holes for ropes.... finito!

Although I have a feeling that there'll be no end to this.

Wilf

One of my favorite quotes,

"I love it when a plan comes together!" -Hannibal Hayes of the A-Team.

Sounds pretty good, you spent a little time, a little money, used some
old wood 2x's that were lying around, drilled a little, probably
expleted a little, and you feel better about life in general. Now you
are almost ready to go kayaking in style. Well maybe not in style, but
we won't tell anyone else! TnT

"frtzw906" wrote in message
news:Oo53e.865869$6l.842496@pd7tw2no...

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article D353e.866271$8l.306388@pd7tw1no, frtzw906 at

wrote on 4/1/05 12:34 AM:

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread and see
where
it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world to
provide
the
type of discussion you are looking for.

KMAN:
===========
That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside from
telling
you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say for
another
couple of weeks :)
================

I think I'm going to bolt my roofrack contraption together tomorrow.

Wilf
===========

I think I will inspect various ropes for evidence of fraying.
=================
C'mon KMAN, you're supposed to take this seriously. I REALLY am going to
bolt my contraption together. That is, is the rain holds off, because I
have
to lay it out on the picnic table to do so (and I don't want to get wet).

I think I'll also work on some biking trip reports (website). Which
reminds
me, a number of the links to pictures on your website are dead-ends. Did
you
know that?

frtzw906


A paddler that does not want to get wet? I see that as the perfect
opportunity to check out your wetsuit or see how your chosen paddling
clothes work ;

Now do as I say and not as I do, cause I'm hibernating till I see better
weather.

Ken

"Cyli" wrote in message
...
On 31 Mar 2005 09:38:52 -0800, "
wrote:

I've been waiting patiently to read about paddling and touring trips.
Really tired of this other subject that keeps popping up.
Let's hear about water sports...
I'm a canoest, and seakayaker...and want to read and talk about
that...isn't that why we signed up here? If not let me know, and I'll
unsubscribe and move on...

Let's give it a go..eh?


Shall I say, "You first." or "Bub bye now." ?

Instead of whining and threatening to deprive us of your, possibly
otherwise nice, company, why don't you tell us what and where you
paddle and what's good or bad about it?

All I paddle are a canoe (rental the last couple of years since I gave
away my stipper) and a recreational Old Town Otter kayak and (when I
lose 5 more pounds?) an old Perception Dancer that I use like a
recreational kayak.

I do them on lakes and the St. Croix River in MN/WI. Like them all,
Lke the places except that too many other people in canoes like the
'Croix on warm weekends. But the backwaters remove most of the
aluminum hatch from sight and sound.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Nice to know there are others out there with a Dancer that is a little snug.
It takes everything that boat has to keep me afloat. I have removed the
plastic bit under the front combing edge and that gets me into the thing. I
was somewhat worried that I would not come out in a wet exit but when the
time came, it came off like a good pair of pants. I love the looks I get
when I show up with it. I'm 6' 1'' and about 275-285 depending on what I had
for breakfast ; and most people where I go have huge canoes and are shocked
that I am actually going to go out in my "little" boat.

Ken

On 1-Apr-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

Wilf, therein lies the problem, this NG is for paddle craft.

Actually, sailing paddlecraft is well within this newsgroup's
domain. I have a sailing kayak (old one that needs to be
repaired - picked up really cheap) complete with both main
and jib and two lee-boards. Lots of folk sail canoes as
well.

Mike

Michael Daly wrote:
On 1-Apr-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

Wilf, therein lies the problem, this NG is for paddle craft.

Actually, sailing paddlecraft is well within this newsgroup's
domain. I have a sailing kayak (old one that needs to be
repaired - picked up really cheap) complete with both main
and jib and two lee-boards. Lots of folk sail canoes as
well.

Mike

I hate OT posting, and this being a thread about "can we talk about
paddling now?", but I will venture to stray a little into that
dangerous chop. :)

I have the lanteen sail rig for my Folbot Super, and horror of horror,
I picked up a small 2.5 Mercury Mariner, that I plan on incorporating
in my total package. So now I can be anything I want to be, a
paddlecraft, a sailboat, a motor boat, looks like it is going to be a
good year! The biggest problem with the Super, is that they track so
straight, that when sailing, and it comes time to tack, they just want
to keep going straight. But such is life! TnT

in article Oo53e.865869$6l.842496@pd7tw2no, frtzw906 at
wrote on 4/1/05 1:57 AM:

I think I'll also work on some biking trip reports (website). Which reminds
me, a number of the links to pictures on your website are dead-ends. Did you
know that?

frtzw906

I am happy to report that (I hope) all the links at gokayaking.ca are now
working. Anyone who finds otherwise, please let me know.

The bay here is still frozen but there's all sorts of water collecting on
the surface of the ice. We had a big rain and continuing warm temperatures,
so the day is coming...

Anybody "sheets" on my bed....I keeeeel em
"BCITORGB" wrote in message
ups.com...
Tink:
=========
Landlubbers call them ropes, they're called lines! TnT
=============

Sorry to disappoint, sailors call them sheets.

Wilf

Tink informs:
============
and horror of horror, I picked up a small 2.5 Mercury Mariner, that I
plan on incorporating in my total package.
===============

Is that a "motor" you're talking about? Surely that'll get your barred
from r.b.p.t. If not, it ought to.

I come from a sailing family where it was a matter of pride for my
father to *sail* into the berth in the marina (with much fear in the
eyes of others already berthed). As crew, I can assure you that my
timing had to be impeccable and multi-tasking was the order of the day.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: I'm shocked to hear a paddler even
mention the word "motor", never mind contemplating afixing one to his
craft.

Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that you're going to attach
some motorized assist gizmo to your mountain bike. Tsk! Tsk!

Wilf
+++++++++++++

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink informs:
============
and horror of horror, I picked up a small 2.5 Mercury Mariner, that I
plan on incorporating in my total package.
===============

Is that a "motor" you're talking about? Surely that'll get your
barred
from r.b.p.t. If not, it ought to.

I come from a sailing family where it was a matter of pride for my
father to *sail* into the berth in the marina (with much fear in the
eyes of others already berthed). As crew, I can assure you that my
timing had to be impeccable and multi-tasking was the order of the
day.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: I'm shocked to hear a paddler even
mention the word "motor", never mind contemplating afixing one to his
craft.

Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that you're going to attach
some motorized assist gizmo to your mountain bike. Tsk! Tsk!

Wilf
+++++++++++++

A "motor", did I say something about one of those noisy, smelly
polluters? No, not me! Absolutely not! well maybe, but just a very
little one, really small! And I promise to paddle when ever possible.
Or to sail! If I use the motor, it will be only where there are other
motors being used. You won't even know I am there! Promise!

As far as Mtn biking, they provide lift service to the top of the
mountains during the summer on the ski lifts, then just coast down.
Actually I rode a Road bike, on longer rides that you would not want to
try on a mtn bike. Though a few times on a steep climb I've wished for
a gizmo. TnT

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:02:16 GMT, "No Spam"
wrote:

(snipped)

Nice to know there are others out there with a Dancer that is a little snug.
It takes everything that boat has to keep me afloat. I have removed the
plastic bit under the front combing edge and that gets me into the thing. I
was somewhat worried that I would not come out in a wet exit but when the
time came, it came off like a good pair of pants. I love the looks I get
when I show up with it. I'm 6' 1'' and about 275-285 depending on what I had
for breakfast ; and most people where I go have huge canoes and are shocked
that I am actually going to go out in my "little" boat.

I'm short and chubby and old enough to be less than agile. Bad for
getting in and out of a Dancer. But they're so* nice to paddle. Even
though I don't do whitewater. I once thought I would (about the time
I bought it) but then I tried it a bit and, while it's fun to go
downriver upside down very fast, I wasn't able to do the roll. Had to
pop the skirt every time and swim the little boat down to where I
could drain it and force my way back in. It makes a nice recreational
boat, especially in backwaters and swamps. One can go over a tree
trunk that any other boat would have to beach and pull around. You
push that nose up, reach down to the sides and do a hand push (can't
do that much more, either. Bummer.) and slide yourself right over.
Places anyone else has to get out to pull over the sand bar, you just
dig the paddle in the sand and scoot over it, if there's any water
flowing across it. One does have to learn how to paddle in a straight
line, but that comes along well.



Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 4/2/05 2:51 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 4/1/05 10:57 PM:


KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article D353e.866271$8l.306388@pd7tw1no, frtzw906 at

wrote on 4/1/05 12:34 AM:

The best thing to do is simply start. Introduce a new thread
and
see where
it goes. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world
to
provide
the
type of discussion you are looking for.

KMAN:
===========
That being said, the dang water is still frozen here, so aside
from
telling
you about getting my gear organized, there isn't much to say
for
another
couple of weeks :)
================

I think I'm going to bolt my roofrack contraption together
tomorrow.

Wilf
===========

I think I will inspect various ropes for evidence of fraying.

Landlubbers call them ropes, they're called lines! TnT

No, I'm talking about ropes. I've got various ropes in the shed.

As I came home tonight, I got to thinking that you might have meant
ropes for something other than boating, though personally I
chuckled at
the thought of seeing you down at the corral ropen' and branden'
and
cutten' them doggies! TnT

Please keep your sexual fantasies to yourself.

Is that what you do with ropes? TnT

Again, your fascination with my sex life is inappropriate.

Cyli wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:02:16 GMT, "No Spam"

wrote:

(snipped)

Nice to know there are others out there with a Dancer that is a
little snug.
It takes everything that boat has to keep me afloat. I have removed
the
plastic bit under the front combing edge and that gets me into the
thing. I
was somewhat worried that I would not come out in a wet exit but
when the
time came, it came off like a good pair of pants. I love the looks I
get
when I show up with it. I'm 6' 1'' and about 275-285 depending on
what I had
for breakfast ; and most people where I go have huge canoes and are
shocked
that I am actually going to go out in my "little" boat.

I'm short and chubby and old enough to be less than agile. Bad for
getting in and out of a Dancer. But they're so* nice to paddle.
Even
though I don't do whitewater. I once thought I would (about the time
I bought it) but then I tried it a bit and, while it's fun to go
downriver upside down very fast, I wasn't able to do the roll. Had
to
pop the skirt every time and swim the little boat down to where I
could drain it and force my way back in. It makes a nice
recreational
boat, especially in backwaters and swamps. One can go over a tree
trunk that any other boat would have to beach and pull around. You
push that nose up, reach down to the sides and do a hand push (can't
do that much more, either. Bummer.) and slide yourself right over.
Places anyone else has to get out to pull over the sand bar, you just
dig the paddle in the sand and scoot over it, if there's any water
flowing across it. One does have to learn how to paddle in a
straight
line, but that comes along well.



Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Cyli, Your the kind of gal I would like to see on the survivor program,
any chance you would volunteer? TnT

On 4 Apr 2005 23:09:30 -0700, "Tinkerntom" wrote:



Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Cyli, Your the kind of gal I would like to see on the survivor program,
any chance you would volunteer? TnT


I'd be voted off more quickly than I heard the first guy on the first
show was. The guy that was the only one that knew how to start a
fire...

What little I've seen of it is full of people who want to be movie or
TV actors. Young pretty people in good shape. I don't fit any of
those qualifications. Oh, yeah, and I can be a tad abrasive if I'm
sure I'm right and no one agrees with me. And it's likely no one
would. Most of them (again from the very little I've seen) have
brains the size of walnuts and have common sense factors in the minus
range.

I did see one of their contests all the way through once (my husband
went downstairs to use the computer, so the channels didn't change).
One where the people were shooting at pumpkins or something like that.
Duh. This is not survivalism at basic. You walk over, grab the
pumpkin, cut it open and take it away to cook it. You don't, if in
real need, make a bow and arrow first thing, you make pit traps or
deadfalls or nets. Then you make bows and arrows. Or atalals (sp?
Spear throwers, whatever they're called).

Anyway, I think you can see now why I'd not enter one, even if I were
in good shape. After three days with what I've seen of those people
I'd possibly use any bow and arrows they gave me to shoot the guide,
the other contestants, or, better yet, the producer, if I didn't
shortcut it all and use the arrow to slit my wrists (remember, it's
down, not across).

But thank you for the compliment.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Cyli wrote:
On 4 Apr 2005 23:09:30 -0700, "Tinkerntom" wrote:



Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Cyli, Your the kind of gal I would like to see on the survivor
program,
any chance you would volunteer? TnT


I'd be voted off more quickly than I heard the first guy on the first
show was. The guy that was the only one that knew how to start a
fire...

What little I've seen of it is full of people who want to be movie or
TV actors. Young pretty people in good shape. I don't fit any of
those qualifications. Oh, yeah, and I can be a tad abrasive if I'm
sure I'm right and no one agrees with me. And it's likely no one
would. Most of them (again from the very little I've seen) have
brains the size of walnuts and have common sense factors in the minus
range.

I did see one of their contests all the way through once (my husband
went downstairs to use the computer, so the channels didn't change).
One where the people were shooting at pumpkins or something like
that.
Duh. This is not survivalism at basic. You walk over, grab the
pumpkin, cut it open and take it away to cook it. You don't, if in
real need, make a bow and arrow first thing, you make pit traps or
deadfalls or nets. Then you make bows and arrows. Or atalals (sp?
Spear throwers, whatever they're called).

Anyway, I think you can see now why I'd not enter one, even if I were
in good shape. After three days with what I've seen of those people
I'd possibly use any bow and arrows they gave me to shoot the guide,
the other contestants, or, better yet, the producer, if I didn't
shortcut it all and use the arrow to slit my wrists (remember, it's
down, not across).

But thank you for the compliment.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)


Like I said, you more than qualify for a real survival show. There have
been some of the more mature women on the show, but I agree that most
of it seems to have little to do with real survival, and more to do
with social climbing in a semi-primitive setting.

I always figured the tribe that wants to survive should raid the other
tribe, maybe bash a few knee caps to weaken the competition, and
generally cause havoc. Maybe go after the producers camp. Now we can
have a real program, with Jeff living on the beach. TnT

On 5 Apr 2005 06:11:26 -0700, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

(snipped)
Like I said, you more than qualify for a real survival show. There have
been some of the more mature women on the show, but I agree that most
of it seems to have little to do with real survival, and more to do
with social climbing in a semi-primitive setting.

I always figured the tribe that wants to survive should raid the other
tribe, maybe bash a few knee caps to weaken the competition, and
generally cause havoc. Maybe go after the producers camp. Now we can
have a real program, with Jeff living on the beach. TnT

Format has changed or I watched too little of it. I didn't know there
were two tribes competing. Geeze. Too much silliness for Cyli.

With real tribes you don't raid until there's a need. Usually a need
to get rid of some of the too many young over-testosteroned men who
are pretty useless if you've already got enough hunters. True
primitives tended to wander apart from one another most of the time.
As tribes got larger there was warfare and trade, but these start out
with 20 people or less for the 'reality' show, don't they? Insane.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Cyli wrote:
On 5 Apr 2005 06:11:26 -0700, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

(snipped)
Like I said, you more than qualify for a real survival show. There
have
been some of the more mature women on the show, but I agree that
most
of it seems to have little to do with real survival, and more to do
with social climbing in a semi-primitive setting.

I always figured the tribe that wants to survive should raid the
other
tribe, maybe bash a few knee caps to weaken the competition, and
generally cause havoc. Maybe go after the producers camp. Now we can
have a real program, with Jeff living on the beach. TnT

Format has changed or I watched too little of it. I didn't know
there
were two tribes competing. Geeze. Too much silliness for Cyli.

With real tribes you don't raid until there's a need. Usually a need
to get rid of some of the too many young over-testosteroned men who
are pretty useless if you've already got enough hunters. True
primitives tended to wander apart from one another most of the time.
As tribes got larger there was warfare and trade, but these start out
with 20 people or less for the 'reality' show, don't they? Insane.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Usually they start out with two tribes, but one recent series, I think
they had three. I watched the first series with anticipation, but once
you get the dynamics of the very small society figured out, subsequent
series have been boring. The producers in order to capture our
subsequent attention, have to keep coming up with some angle, none of
which has anything to do with survival.

I read about a couple who purposely stranded themselves on a South
Pacific island to see if they could survive in paradise. They just
about died, and would have except for some locals from an adjacent
island. The Locals wanted to know why anyone would want to live on this
particular island that was infested with a particular sand flea, that
made you very ill. Plus there was no local sourse of water. They were
surprised that anyone could be so dumb.

Reminds me of some of these series that have turned out to be pretty
dumb, especially when you get sleep and food deprived bimbos and
bimbobs, trying to make a decision about who to vote off, when they can
hardly stay in the game themselves.

In one series they made their camp right down on the beach which worked
until high tide. In another, they camped in a riverbed, that ended with
a flashflood. Another they caught their camp on fire. Obviously things
you would want to avoid, but you would think that there would be some
good boy scouts and girl scouts somewhere to be in the games. How CBS
chooses such loosers is amazing, unless they are going for the "OH no,
Groan Factor"! TnT